Wealth Planning for the Modern Physician

David B. Mandell, JD, MBA

Join attorney, wealth manager, and well-known author David Mandell, JD, MBA in this podcast dedicated to improving a physician’s personal financial bottom line. David talks with doctors from every specialty and stage of career about their real-world lessons in financial matters, and interviews industry experts in all areas of wealth management. Tune in every other week for new episodes! read less
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Episodes

Better Methods for Hiring Staff with Dr. Mike Neal
Apr 4 2024
Better Methods for Hiring Staff with Dr. Mike Neal
Listen in or watch as podcast host David Mandell sits down with optometrist Dr. Mike Neal.  David centers this discussion on the challenges of hiring within medical practices and how Dr. Neal's experiences with hiring difficulties in his own practice led him to create Build My Team, a service designed to assist medical practices in overcoming staffing challenges. David and Mike initially cover common mistakes in the hiring process, such as relying too heavily on resumes and interviews, which, in Mike’s experience, often do not accurately reflect a candidate's capabilities or fit for a position. David then asks Mike to explain the importance of using assessments to identify a candidate's natural talents and strengths, a strategy inspired by Mike’s research on the hiring practices at companies like Disney and the Four Seasons. Mike argues that traditional hiring methods are inefficient and can lead to costly turnover, advocating for a more strategic approach that prioritizes quick decision-making and the identification of candidates who are inherently suited for specific roles. David also asks Mike to touch base on the impact of AI on modern job application processes on hiring, including the challenges employers face in navigating a landscape where candidates can apply to thousands of jobs with a single click. The episode concludes with Mike offering advice to practice owners on improving their hiring processes and adapting to the changing dynamics of the job market. Learn more, including additional show notes, links, and more, by visiting physicianswealthpodcast.com.
Maximizing Practice Revenue: Transforming Idle Office Space into Profit with Shannon Seeberan
Mar 21 2024
Maximizing Practice Revenue: Transforming Idle Office Space into Profit with Shannon Seeberan
Listen in as host David Mandell interviews Shannon Seeberan, the co-founder of CloudMedSpas, a platform that enables physicians and medical practitioners to maximize practice revenue by monetizing their unused medical space. The discussion starts with Shannon's career, as she explains how she transitioned from publishing and advertising to aesthetic medical practice growth, leveraging her deep understanding of the business side of medicine—a passion influenced by her family background in healthcare. Shannon highlights the challenges many physicians face in managing the business aspects of their practices, such as staff management, efficiency, and planning for future growth. Shannon's tells David how her work prior to CloudMedSpas primarily involved consulting with physician-owned practices to improve their business operations, emphasizing the integration of aesthetic services to enhance revenue. Shannon then shares her passion for supporting female entrepreneurship through pro bono consulting, highlighting the synergies between this work and her role at CloudMedSpas. Shannon then explains to David and the audience the business pivot from Vansanity to CloudMedSpas and its broader application, allowing physicians of all types to monetize underutilized space by renting it out to aesthetic practitioners.  Shannon provides specific examples of how different types of healthcare providers, including dentists and gastroenterologists, have successfully integrated this model into their practices. In conclusion, Shannon encourages interested listeners to reach out for more information on how CloudMedSpas could potentially benefit their practices. Learn more, including additional show notes, links, and more, by visiting physicianswealthpodcast.com.
A Deep Dive into Medical Practice M&A With Clint Bundy and Matt Ebbel (Part 2)
Feb 22 2024
A Deep Dive into Medical Practice M&A With Clint Bundy and Matt Ebbel (Part 2)
In the second part of the podcast, host David Mandell continues his conversation with investment banker Clint Bundy and private equity principal Matt Ebbel, focusing on the factors that contribute to successful mergers and acquisitions (M&A) in the healthcare sector, including medical, dental, and veterinary practices. They delve into what makes a practice an attractive acquisition target, the importance of cultural and strategic alignment, and future trends in healthcare M&A. Matt Ebbel emphasizes the importance of considering the "day after" a sale, where physicians might find themselves with new responsibilities and a change in their work dynamics. He stresses the need for ownership alignment, candid dialogues about success, and the importance of evaluating the financials, doctor and staff retention, and the culture of a practice. Red flags include a lack of alignment, high turnover, and compliance issues. Ebbel also touches on the importance of setting realistic expectations regarding income adjustments post-acquisition to ensure a fair and sustainable deal and the value of physicians working with a financial advisor to see how a deal impacts their personal financial goals. Clint Bundy outlines the "three legs of the stool" approach to evaluating practices: stability, profitability, and growth, with scale as a possible fourth factor. He emphasizes that while scale is beneficial, it's not a must-have for a practice to be considered strong. Bundy also highlights the necessity of running a competitive process to ensure the best offers for a practice, stressing the importance of certainty to close alongside the financial offer. Both guests agree on the critical role of cultural fit and strategic alignment between the acquiring and acquired entities. They advise practices to conduct thorough due diligence on potential partners, considering factors like the platform's resources, commitment to medical quality, and the investment partner's track record and vision for leveraging technology. Looking ahead, both Bundy and Ebbel express optimism for the M&A market in healthcare, despite recent macroeconomic challenges. They anticipate continued interest from private equity and possibly an increase in activity as market conditions stabilize. Ebbel specifically mentions potential public offerings by major players as a future benchmark that could spur more interest in the sector. In summary, the podcast provides valuable insights into the complexities of healthcare M&A, offering practical advice for practices considering a sale or partnership. The discussion underscores the need for strategic planning, thorough due diligence, and alignment of values and goals to ensure successful transactions in the ever-evolving healthcare landscape. Learn more, incluing key takeaways and insights, as well as being able to listen to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.
A Deep Dive into Medical Practice M&A With Clint Bundy and Matt Ebbel (Part 1)
Feb 8 2024
A Deep Dive into Medical Practice M&A With Clint Bundy and Matt Ebbel (Part 1)
Listen or watch as host David Mandell takes a deep dive into healthcare mergers and acquisitions (M&A), with investment banker Clint Bundy and private equity firm principal Matt Ebbel.  They discuss the advisory and strategic roles they play, aiming to maximize value and find the best partnerships for business or practice owners looking to sell or raise capital. Bundy shares insights into the process of advising healthcare practices, emphasizing building trust, understanding client objectives, and assessing the market for potential transactions. He provides case studies to illustrate the varied scale and scope of deals he has worked on, ranging from solo practices to multi-location consortiums. Ebbel offers a private equity perspective, highlighting the importance of selecting the right partners and platforms for growth or sale, especially in a changing economic landscape influenced by interest rates and market consolidation. He stresses the significance of operational excellence and strategic planning in achieving successful outcomes in healthcare M&A. The discussion also touches on the challenges and opportunities within the healthcare sector, including regulatory hurdles, the impact of economic factors on transaction viability, and the strategic importance of aligning with partners who can add value beyond capital. Learn more, incluing key takeaways and insights, as well as being able to listen to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.
Hot Topics in Wealth Management For 2024 with OJM Advisors Bob Peelman, Adam Braunscheidel, and Andrew Taylor
Jan 11 2024
Hot Topics in Wealth Management For 2024 with OJM Advisors Bob Peelman, Adam Braunscheidel, and Andrew Taylor
Listen in as host David Mandell chats with Certified Financial Planners Bob Peelman, Adam Braunscheidel, and Andrew Taylor from the OJM Group on three wealth planning topics that are relevant for 2024. David begins by discussing with Bob Peelman the basics of 529 plans, including the two types of plans, tax benefits, planning flexibility factors and more.  Bob also delves into the new rules coming into effect in 2024 regarding the Roth IRA transfer provisions for unused 529 plan balances. David then turns to Adam Braunscheidel to discuss HSAs.  He explains the importance of having a High Deductible Health Plan (HDHP) to qualify for an HSA and the potential of HSAs as a retirement savings vehicle, taking advantage of their unique triple tax benefit. Adam discusses the tactic of using HSAs for long-term savings by paying current medical expenses out-of-pocket and reimbursing oneself later from the HSA through tax-free distributions. Finally, David chats with Andy Taylor about the question of whether to invest in bonds or hold cash, particularly in the context of recent interest rate fluctuations and inflation rates. Andy explains the inverse relationship between interest rates and bond prices, and how this impacts investment decisions and how the environment as they record the podcast (4th Quarter 2023) is much different than it was 6, 12, or 18 months ago. Learn more, incluing key takeaways and insights, as well as being able to listen to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.
Immigrant Origins, Entrepreneurship, and the Importance of Mindset with Dr. Madan Kandula
Dec 21 2023
Immigrant Origins, Entrepreneurship, and the Importance of Mindset with Dr. Madan Kandula
Listen in as host David Mandell interviews Dr. Madan Kandula, ENT surgeon, entrepreneur, and CEO of Advent, which he has grown to over 250 team members across 18 locations, serving over 1500 new patients monthly. Dr. Kandula shares his background, including a brief description of his family's immigrant story from India, emphasizing the struggles his parents overcame and how this impacted his life and career.  The conversation shifts to Dr. Kandula's career journey, starting with his first job out of training, where he initially joined a solo practice in Milwaukee which went terribly, eventually motivating him to start his own practice, Advent. He highlights the importance of providing outstanding patient care and building a strong referral network, and how these principles contributed to the growth of his practice. Dr. Kandula then delves into the decision to partner with a private equity firm in 2020, a move aimed at expanding and professionalizing the organization. He emphasizes the importance of coming into such partnerships from a position of strength and how his unique approach to healthcare made Advent a successful venture. The podcast concludes with Dr. Kandula stressing the significance of mindset in both personal and professional growth. He encourages physicians to recognize their power and potential, and to develop a strong, positive mindset through daily practice and habits. Learn more, incluing key takeaways and insights, as well as being able to listen to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.
Strategically Evaluate & Negotiate Potential Jobs with The Doctors Agents Co-Founders Dr. Sanjeev Bhatia & Dr. Matthew Provencher
Nov 23 2023
Strategically Evaluate & Negotiate Potential Jobs with The Doctors Agents Co-Founders Dr. Sanjeev Bhatia & Dr. Matthew Provencher
In this episode, David welcomes back two guests from earlier seasons – orthopaedic surgeons Dr. Sanjeev Bhatia and Dr. Matthew Provencher.  Sanjeev and Matt join David to discuss a new venture they’ve founded, along with David, called The Doctors Agents (TDA).  Sanjeev and Matt begin with how they identified a need in the marketplace for physicians to know more and achieve better results when evaluating and negotiating jobs.  They discuss their personal stories and those they have seen from colleagues and fellows they train and delve into the reasons many physicians tend to evaluate jobs on their own, without the benefit of data, tools or professionals.  Sanjeev introduces TDA and describes how it helps physicians seeking their first job out of training or changing jobs. David explains a bit about two on-demand tools that TDA provides 24/7/365 – a financial model for evaluating one or more jobs financially and an AI-based contract review. Matt comments on the importance of TDA’s work to vet experts in medical contract law and financial planning as part of their offering for physicians. David and Sanjeev then discuss how the financial model and AI contract review tools could be valuable even for physicians who are not changing jobs – from helping them map out their financial plan and dealing with changes at the practice or hospital to taking advantage of entrepreneurial opportunities as they arise.  David wraps up with a review of the basic pricing for TDA’s various offerings in their Beta phase. Learn more and listent to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.
Summer Rewind #7: Private Equity Insights with Dr. Steve Hamilton and CEO Andy Blankemeyer
Sep 7 2023
Summer Rewind #7: Private Equity Insights with Dr. Steve Hamilton and CEO Andy Blankemeyer
Join host David Mandell as he revisits and highlights 7 episodes from Seasons 1 and 2 of The Wealth Planning for the Modern Physician podcast. “I think that all of the episodes are great and provide value for our listeners,” says David, “but I selected a few that offer intriguing ideas and a unique perspective for physicians in 2023.”  Insights a Few Years Beyond a Private Equity Transaction with Dr. Steve Hamilton and CEO Andy Blankemeyer Originally released March 3, 2022 For the seventh and final installment of the 2023 Summer Rewind Series, David looks back to Episode 2.15, where he chats with orthopaedic surgeon Dr. Steve Hamilton and practice CEO Andy Blankemeyer. Steve and Andy share lessons learned from a private equity investment into their practice from the unique viewpoint of more than two years after the transaction. They cover the evaluation process used to select the right PE firm, ways they overcame objections from some of the practice physicians, and steps they are taking to handle rapid growth and other post-transaction challenges. David selected this episode because of the current industry trend toward M&A deals and private equity investment in medical practices. Physicians of all specialties, along with their practice executives, can gain valuable insights from the advice and perspectives shared by Dr. Hamilton and Andy Blankemeyer. Learn more and listent to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.
Summer Rewind #4: Expert Insights on Asset Protection with Bo Loeffler, Esq.
Jul 27 2023
Summer Rewind #4: Expert Insights on Asset Protection with Bo Loeffler, Esq.
Join host David Mandell as he revisits and highlights 7 episodes from Seasons 1 and 2 of The Wealth Planning for the Modern Physician podcast. “I think that all of the episodes are great and provide value for our listeners,” says David, “but I selected a few that offer intriguing ideas and a unique perspective for physicians in 2023.”  Expert Insights on Asset Protection with Bo Loeffler, Esq. Originally released September 30, 2021 For the fourth installment of the 2023 Summer Rewind Series, David revisits Season 2, Episode 5, where he chats with Bo Loeffler, an author and nationally recognized asset protection attorney. Like David, Bo comes from a family of physicians, but gravitated to a career in the law, where he has specialized in asset protection for lottery winners, business owners and physicians. Bo and David discuss tools often used in asset protection planning, including insurance, exempt assets, LLCs and trusts, and outline key success factors for each and pitfalls to avoid. David highlights this episode because asset protection is often a hot topic for doctors, largely due to recent high-profile cases that have resulted in significant verdicts against physicians and medical practices. If protecting assets for yourself, your family and your practice is of interest to you, you’ll gain valuable insights from David’s conversation with Bo Loeffler. Learn more and listent to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.
Summer Rewind #3: Financial Therapy 101 with Dr. Gregory Gilot and Erika Wasserman
Jul 13 2023
Summer Rewind #3: Financial Therapy 101 with Dr. Gregory Gilot and Erika Wasserman
Join host David Mandell as he revisits and highlights 7 episodes from Seasons 1 and 2 of The Wealth Planning for the Modern Physician podcast. “I think that all of the episodes are great and provide value for our listeners,” says David, “but I selected a few that offer intriguing ideas and a unique perspective for physicians in 2023.”  Episode 1.13: Financial Therapy 101 with Dr. Gregory Gilot and Erika Wasserman Originally released March 4, 2021 For the third segment of the 2023 Rewind Series, David speaks with Dr. Greg Gilot, an orthopedic surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic in Florida, along with his collaborator, "your financial therapist" Erika Wasserman. David and Greg cover reasons why Greg chose to take time away from his busy orthopaedic practice to get a certification in financial therapy. Greg shares how physicians can benefit from financial therapy and introduces his collaborator Erika and her role as a financial therapist. Because doctors experience a great deal of stress related to money, the availability of financial therapy is something they should be aware of for themselves, their colleagues, and their family members. This episode from 2021 offers a physician’s perspective on this important discipline that can help physicians focus on and achieve their long-term financial goals.  Ideas Worth Sharing “We as physicians are high-income earners, but we accrue a lot of debt and we have no financial literacy.” “Let’s pay for the past, live in the present while we prepare for the future.” Learn more and listent to this and past episodes by visiting www.physicianswealthpodcast.com.