Hope is within reach! On this special last show of their second season, Jackie and Eve have insightful (and at times - hilarious) conversations with old friends (not to be confused with friends who are old) about holding onto hope. Pastor, speaker, author, Trisha Davis, and single mom, life coach and co-leader of Leading and Loving it, Brandi Wilson, had unexpected transitions in their lives yet they both prevailed by shifting from striving to thriving. All the while they both remain wildly strong, faithful and tenacious as they seek the heart of God. You will want to lean in and take notes because these powerhouses can preach as they share their remarkable stories of how God’s inexhaustible hope can strengthen you no matter your circumstances. Plus on the show, Jackie covers the way in which all 9 Enneagram personalities can best find hope in the Lord. More About Trisha: Trisha is a wife, mom, and Co-founder of Hope City Church and RefineUs Ministries. She is the co-author of Beyond Ordinary: When a Good Marriage Just Isn’t Good Enough. She passionately loves God and loves people. That love compels her to speak with honesty and transparency to call others to become fully who God created them to be. Sharing her own story of loss and redemption, she longs to ignite a movement to help others build healthy relationships with each other and with God.  Facebook: trishalopezdavis Instagram: trishalopezdavis Twitter: trishlopezdavisMore About Brandi: Co-Leader of Leading And Loving It, Brandi Wilson is also a life coach, author and speaker who for the past 20 years has helped women and their families navigate the ups and downs of everyday life. She loves helping single moms learn how to show up fully for themselves so they can show up fully for their kids. She’s helped start two churches, the most recent being Cross Point Church in Nashville TN. Her work now aims at helping women develop emotional and mental health so they live a life of freedom and confidence. Her own journey has taught her the power of that very skill. Brandi can be found at lovebrandiwilson.com. Facebook: Brandi Wheeler Wilson Instagram @lovebrandiwilson Twitter: @Lovebrandiw

Jackie and Eve invite their dear friend, speaker, best selling author and podcast host of the show Human Hope, Carlos Whittaker into a conversation about peace. We all know that in many ways, finding peace is a lost art as our world is often filled with distractions, discord and dissension which capture our attention and can leave some of us feeling depressed or anxious. Carlos, an Enneagram 9,  has spent several years, “killing the spider,” dealing hope and delivering the message of racial reconciliation. In this captivating conversation, discover how finding and feeling a sincere calmness that fills your heart happens through Christ and why being in harmony with the Lord and rooted in His Word can help keep the peace in your spirit.  Also on the show, Jackie explains how all 9 Enneagram personalities can best find and feel at peace.More About Carlos:Carlos Whittaker is an author, speaker,  self-professed hope dealer and host of his new popular Podcast, Human Hope. He speaks at some of the largest churches in the country and at conferences including the Orange Conference, Catalyst, MomCon, and many others. A People’s Choice Award winner, he is also the author of Moment Maker and Kill the Spider, and his newest work Enter Wild. Carlos lives with his wife, Heather, and their three children in Nashville TN.  Here's where you can connect and be friends with Carlos: Instagram:  @loswhit  Twitter: @lostwhit Facebook: Carlos Whittaker

Join this in-depth conversation as Jackie and Eve discuss how each of us are magnificently designed on purpose for His purpose with longtime wise friends Jenni Catron, CEO of Get4Sight, author and speaker along with Ashley Warren, Culture Coach and Operations at Get4Sight.  Learn how they have pursued their purpose with deep passion. Also, together they uncover the divine attributes uniquely crafted from the Maker of Heaven and earth that include joy, goodness, creativity, generosity, the spirit of peace and so much more. When you embrace your attributes and show them to the world, you also show Christ to the world. After all, each Enneagram number reflects an aspect of God’s character, since you were created directly from His image. Plus, Jackie reveals the characteristic of all nine Enneagram numbers and how they each reflect God.More About Jenni:Jenni Catron is a leadership coach, author and speaker. Her passion is to cultivate healthy leaders to lead thriving organizations. As Founder and CEO of The 4Sight Group, she consults on leadership, team culture and organizational health. Jenni is the author of several books including Clout: Discover and Unleash Your God-Given Influence and The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership.  Jenni can be found on social media at @jennicatron and at www.get4sight.com.More About Ashley: Ashley serves as the Culture Coach and Operations at The4site group as well as Copywriter and Special Projects at  the Annie F Downs Books. She is a wife, Mom of two beautiful girls and can be found on Instagram @smashwarren.

Join this conversation with Jackie and Eve as they welcome one of their nearest and dearest friends, Lindsey Nobles, VP of Marketing for Onsite. We all know outside of immediate family, your community of dear friends can be your biggest blessing. When you focus on your very important friends you will notice how you flourish and thrive. Lindsely loves her friends well and in this episode you will learn how she emanates kindness, genuine generosity and immense empathy so well with her inner-circle. Plus on the show, Jackie reveals the expectations of what all Nine Enneagram personalities need from their deep friendships.More About Lindsey:Lindsey Nobles has worked in the for-profit, non-profit, and ministry sectors in Event Planning and Management, Marketing, Merchandising, Communications, Development and Operations. Lindsey currently heads up Marketing for Onsite, the world-wide leader in personal growth and therapeutic workshops. Before that, she was a strategic force in the creation and growth of IF:Gathering where she developed vision, built sustainable revenue streams, shaped values and teams along with content and practices of the organization. A natural connector and social justice advocate, Lindsey lives in Nashville, Tennessee, and serves on the boards of Be The Bridge and The Freedom Story. Listen to her newest adventure, co-hosting Living Centered Podcast HERE.  Follow @LindseyNobles.

Jackie and Eve welcome special guest, Lisa Whittle, an Enneagram 8, to the show. Lisa not only exudes strength, kindness and joy, but as a bible teacher, she also has a wealth of Biblical knowledge as her love runs deep to see people pursue Jesus for life, grow deep roots of faith, and walk strong in the midst of a world seemingly gone crazy. On the show, Lisa discusses the raw emotions of being an assertive, bold and independent woman growing up as a Pastor’s daughter while chasing after God’s calling and purpose for her life.  If you need to try and understand those in the assertive stance, or if you find yourself in the, “tell it like it is” camp, this conversation will help you understand the “why” behind the motivations of being a truth-teller. Also, in this episode, you’ll hear how all nine Enneagram numbers can chase after their purpose-filled life with limitless and immeasurable possibilities! More about Lisa: Jesus is everything. It is the heart, the passion and the leadership approach of author and speaker and podcast host, Lisa Whittle. Lisa is the author of 7 books and a new Bible study which includes her latest release Jesus Over Everything. She is a sought-out Bible teacher for her wit and bold, bottom line approach.  She is the founder of Ministry Strong, co-founder of Called Creatives and host of the popular Jesus Over Everything podcast. She’s a wife, mom, lover of laughter, good food, interior design and The Bible, and a self-professed feisty work in progress.  You can find her on Facebook at Lisa Whittle,  follow her on Instagram @LisaWhittle , Twitter @LisaRWhittle, and visit her ministry community at www.lisawhittle.com.

Strap yourselves because you’re in for a wild and hilarious ride as Jackie and Eve interview their husbands: the incredibly creative church marketing and worship consultant and influencer, Stephen Brewster, along with weatherman turned Realtor and Managing Broker, Charlie Neese.  You will get an inside glimpse of their relationship dynamic and learn how they have used what they've uncovered and discovered through their knowledge of the Enneagram to navigate their communication and interaction with each other.  They’ll also share how they cultivate relationships with family and friends and work to better understand how they show and receive love. This conversation is vulnerable and transparent but also full of a ton of fun and funny.  Plus, Jackie covers the way in which each of the 9 Enneagram personalities long to be loved.More about Stephen and Charlie:Stephen Brewster helps some of the largest churches in the U.S. navigate their marketing strategy, creativity, team building and leadership needs while managing their worship teams as they maneuver through the music industry. You can learn all about his consultant and marketing company here.  Charlie Neese is a Nashville native who segued from meteorologist and TV weatherman to Realtor. As a top-producing agent, Charlie has extensive knowledge of all of Middle Tennessee which serves him well as Managing Broker for Zeitlin Sotheby's International Realty. You can find him here.

Todd Smith shares his incredible story of unimaginable tragedy to steadfast surrender. Through his lens of vulnerability, transparency and authenticity, Todd shares the painful moments when he, and his precious wife, Angie, grieved the overwhelming pain of losing their baby girl, Audrey, 13 years ago. Whether you are among the 40% of the parents who have experienced a similar loss or if you have ever experienced any type of personal trial at all, you will be inspired and uplifted by his brokenness and openness and be reminded that you’re not alone in your struggle. Todd doesn’t hold back his emotions about his journey of holding onto faith to find peace and hope in the midst of heart-wrenching heartbreak and devastating circumstances.  Also on this episode, Jackie and Eve also explore how each of the 9 Enneagram personalities, through growth and self-awareness, can display healthy characteristics even during stress.  While each Enneagram number has an arrow leading you toward where you go in stress, you can act out the healthy characteristics of your Enneagram “stress” number.Todd Smith singer, songwriter extraordinaire and member of the popular Christian group, Selah  with more than half a billion streams, over 4 million albums sold, and 8 GMA Dove Awards to their credit. They just launched their record label, 3Cre8tive.  Their album, Step Into My Story, came out in November and debuted #1 on iTunes. Todd wrote Selah’s most recent song, “Hello Grace” about 3 years ago when an extended family member was addicted to pain medication. Todd explains, “I believe God can part the waters and move mountains, but I also believed He would never be able to change this behavior.  Last year my wife Angie and I saw a miracle happen in this person.  As I was writing the song with Michael Farren (“Trust In You” - Lauren Daigle) and Travis Ryan (“We Believe” - Newsboys) the miracle hadn’t happened yet.  I remembered thinking that grace was for this person who was not changing.  I was mostly convicted that grace covered me.  I was not different from the person I hurt.  I needed grace just as much.  Hello Grace is a reminder that His Grace is sufficient, and it is always available.”  This groundbreaking trio is also the first Christian band to have a crypto coin (Also known as social token). Their “Selah” coin is called “3CR8” in and you can learn all about it and how you can invest at rally.io.   Also, check out the incredible Kingdom work being done by his amazing and beautiful wife, Angie Smith, Bible teacher and best selling author.  See her latest Bible Study called Matchless here.

Jackie and Eve have an absolute blast talking with their dear friend, Drew Powell, an Enneagram 7. And when Drew starts preaching, we all start listening... Join in on the conversation as they hold nothing back while discussing why we each need a Protector, a Father, a Leader and Trusted Confidant who will never betray us or forsake us. Drew is dropping some wisdom and speaking some truth on this episode! You will be encouraged as you are reminded that no matter what your heart longs to hear, your personality isn’t a problem to be solved but a beauty to be embraced.  This show reinforces the fact that you are not a mistake, you were uniquely and wonderfully crafted by the God of all creation on purpose for His purpose! More About Drew:Drew is the Creative and Culture Pastor at Cross Point Church. He leads the Creative team in dreaming, creating and executing experiences, communications, music and more for all areas of ministry at Cross Point. It is his desire for the church to regain its position as a leader of the creative frontier and help create environments where people can take next steps in their journey with Christ. Drew's favorite thing to do is travel as well as discover new music, ideas, places and experiences with his wife, Jamie, their 4 children and their two dogs, Hank and Dolly. You can catch Drew on the Cross Point Church Podcast, Anything’s Possible.  @drewpowell

Jackie and Eve kick off the first show of the second season by sitting down with their dear friend, Kacie Gaston. Kacie is both brilliant and beautiful inside and out.  After becoming a house-hold name as a popular contestant on season 16 of The Bachelor, she is now an Influencer, Founder and Contributor for, Modern Southern Mother.  During this show, they discuss how to adopt a peaceful lifestyle and find the calm in a culture full of distractions and oftentimes meaningless babble that captures our attention and warps our sense of reality. Also, on today’s episode, Jackie goes through the gifts of all nine Enneagram numbers. You will be reminded that you were created with immense gifts and unique qualities as you’re exceptionally and exceedingly talented. You are not a mistake; you were created on purpose for His purpose. More About Kacie: “It’s been hard to generate the content I wanted while at the same time being the mom I wanted to be. I really have tried to not spread myself too thin. I wanted to stay at home to raise my babies and be a part of every part of their lives and not miss it. Which brings me to now, I have a 3 1/2 year old and a 1 1/2 year old and I finally feel like I’m not treading water continuously. I felt that after having a daughter that I really began to dig deep and cling to my southern roots. That there is such value in teaching our babies to be respectable humans and to instill Christian values in them. It gave me the urge to share this journey with other mothers, but I also knew I couldn’t do it alone. I wanted other moms, similar to me, to share with you as well. That's when, Modern Southern Mother was born. I hope you join us on this journey.”  - Kacie Gaston, Mother Southern Mother, @KacieGaston, @IAmAModernSouthernMother

Your passions and sins might make you cringe and squirm, but the reality is that all nine Enneagram numbers deal with struggles and unhealthy patterns of behavior.  Understanding this brings a deep awareness which can bring you true freedom. This process of becoming self-aware is vital to your growth and your peace that allows you to live your best life. Join Jackie and Eve for this special episode as they take a deep dive into explaining how, “what you avoid can eventually destroy” and why being aware of your weaknesses helps you live from a place of health with a posture of self-compassion and self-empathy. This last intense episode of the first season isn’t for the faint of heart, however, understanding the truth about the struggles we all endure will help you better grasp why all nine personalities do what they do, say what they say and act the way they act.

For some of us, the holidays are the most wonderful time of the year. However, for some of us, this can be a lonely or painful season. Either way, the holidays can be full of an overwhelming amount of stress, pressure and anxiety. On this episode, Jackie and Eve unpack some of the pressures each personality may uniquely face during this time of the year and offer some wise insight, awareness and suggested solutions. Plus, get out your Christmas shopping list as they suggest the perfect gift ideas that best fit each Enneagram number.

What makes you mad? Do you understand the patterns and situations that activate your anger? Join Jackie and Eve on this episode as they explore what makes each Enneagram number frustrated and aggravated so you can understand yourself better and learn what activates others around you.  In addition,  Jackie and Eve break down the speaking styles of each number so you can better understand how those with whom you communicate process your conversations.  After all, when you speak to others, you do not want there to be a disconnect between what you are trying to say and what others actually hear.

Feeling a little tense and tired these days? It is so important, now more than ever, to learn to relax. Relaxation does not look the same for everyone. Allowing yourself space for rest will ensure you are functioning from a place of overflow rather than drought. Also, as the season of the Thanksgiving holiday approaches, Jackie and Eve thought it would be advantageous and valuable to give each Enneagram number some prompts to help you show thankfulness this season. They even take a few minutes and share why they are thankful for each Enneagram number! For some of you, this isn’t an easy season to walk through as this time of year might activate pain, sadness, stress and anxiety.  However, this show will surely help to lift your spirits!

This episode is an awareness check-in as you are guided through the Enneagram Health Scale for all nine numbers. You will begin to understand how to recognize the patterns of behavior when you, and the people in your life, are functioning in a  healthy, average or unhealthy space through the lens of the Enneagram. Note, this is not a tool that's meant to make you feel shame, embarrassment, guilt or anger.  Instead, it’s invaluable knowledge which will help you become self-aware and see yourself through a nonjudgmental lens. Join Jackie and Eve as they walk you through uncovering and discovering these cycles of behavior, helping you let go of unhealthy patterns that no longer serve you so you can live a life that is free, fulfilling and thriving.

Weary? Rundown? Tired? Have you ever felt overwhelmed, over-exhausted or just simply over it?  There’s good news!  There are strategies we can use to handle the heaviness we can feel in our lives, especially during a moment in our history full of unknowns and unprecedented circumstances. Join Jackie and Eve as they unpack how all nine Enneagram numbers manage weariness. They also tackle different meditation practices to soothe the soul, mind and body. Sit back and relax, deeply breathe in, slowly exhale and enjoy this incredibly encouraging episode!

In the spirit of the Thanksgiving holiday which is just over a month away from us now - this episode explores how your family and friends can best get along with YOU. Oh, and feel free to share this episode with ALL of your loved ones who can’t wait to hear how they can love you well and speak to you in your Enneagram language. Not only will your circle and community understand you better, but you in turn will learn how to best get along with your people in all scenarios. Join Jackie and Eve for this popular topic as they cover all nine numbers as you discover how we all can play nice with each other day-to-day and during the upcoming holiday season while you spend A LOT of time with family.

Many of us can feel the heat happening in our culture, our communities and our circles as dissension, tension and fear flood our inboxes, airwaves and social media platforms. On this Podcast, Jackie and Eve unpack your Enneagram personality and how you typically handle tension and stress by explaining your stance. The Enneagram stances refer to how you receive information and process it intellectually and emotionally. As you process your stance take notice of the patterns of behavior in your life. Your patterns began developing at the age of two leading to your current stance, which helps you navigate life by keeping you safe and meeting your needs while you strive to gain acceptance and love. Also, learn the stances for all nine Enneagram numbers.

For over a year Jackie and Eve have put their heart and soul into writing a book. It’s entitled, Hearing God Speak: A 52-Week Enneagram Devotional. This weekly, interactive Devotional helps you explore how your heavenly Father is speaking to you as you listen to Him in your Enneagram language. On this Podcast, Jackie and Eve will give the behind the scene details of how this book came to fruition as well as an excerpt from the book that explores how all nine Enneagram numbers pursue God’s plan and purposes for their life.  Order your copy of Hearing God Speak now available for presale at HearingGodSpeakDevo.com.

Does talking about the topic of anxiety bring you anxiety? If so, you’re not alone. Anxiety is not typically a popular topic of discussion at the water cooler or during dinner parties. However, this issue is important as all of us deal with some degree of it. Truth be told, anxiety isn’t an emotion you can simply dismiss, automatically ignore or wish away. During this episode, you will not only learn what brings each Enneagram number anxiety, you'll also discover some practical ways to help curb your anxiety levels. Join Jackie and Eve as they unpack the ways your personality deals with feelings of anxiousness and along the way learn some practical applications and practices to help release and minimize your stress levels.

Grieving the loss of a job, a relationship, a dream, an expectation, or worse yet, a loved one, can break your spirit, shake you to your core and crush your soul. In this episode, you will uncover how your Enneagram number, along with all other numbers, deals with grief and reconciles loss in this profoundly impactful discussion. Join Jackie and Eve as they dig deeper into the ways in which your personality type commonly expresses emotions during some of the darkest and most discouraging moments of life. They also discuss their own personal experiences and share ways they’ve learned to handle the pain of loss in the healthiest process possible.