“I think the biggest mistake most people, most businesses make when they go into that project is they think it’s a story about them, but the reality is it’s a story about your customer and how you help them in their story. And that’s the way we try to frame it. With the narration, with the visuals, with the music, from the story. It’s really trying to connect with that viewer on, ‘What is the problem you’re having?’ Why are you reaching out to this company in the first place? What has piqued your interest?” -- Mark Wonderlin This episode is the second half of my interview with business filmmaker, marketing expert, and Mosaic Media Films founder Mark Wonderlin as we discuss the importance of storytelling when it comes to video marketing, the different social media strategies for local versus global marketing, and about Mark’s philosophy that “the most expensive video is the one that doesn’t work.” As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Different Types of Marketing VideosThe second half of our conversation starts as Mark shares his memories of a powerful video he recorded about a cancer patient, and the crucial role sound played in bringing her story to life. “I worked on this project personally,” he recalls, “and, you know, still to this day, like seven years later, I mean, it’ll bring tears to my eyes.” We discuss the two kinds of marketing videos, brand promos and testimonial videos, the different approaches he takes to each one, and how social media has upended some of the old rules. “The thing about TikTok,” he says, “is that people’s attention spans are just getting shorter and shorter and shorter because there’s just so much content out there.”(0:09:26) - Digital Marketing and Social Media StrategyWe also talk about how Mark’s social media strategies can vary depending on both the company and their customer base. “So, like a B2B company is not gonna really perform really well on Facebook,” he notes, “just because of the pool of the audience there, whereas a B2C company will do better because they’re consumer-based products.” He explains the different approaches between social media videos and more traditional advertising campaigns, as well as what they have in common. “It’s just a matter of the targeting,” Mark explains. “So the better you’re targeting, the better you’re going to be.”(0:19:53) - The Impact of Sound in MediaMark also shares his thoughts about the explosion of AI in the industry, particularly AI voices and how commonplace they’ve become on social media lately. “There’s this one AI voice company I’ve heard,” he recounts, “and it’s weird because they were showing samples of it, like, on a podcast or a YouTube video, and I hear that voice all the time now on YouTube.” We discuss whether virtual voiceovers can save a client money, and why he thinks human artists shouldn’t be written off just yet. “You save money on the front end,” Mark says, “but you’ll lose on the back end because people are just bouncing. They’re leaving because they’re turned off by the non-professionalism of the...

“I think a part of that is because, you know, 75% of people, like, on Facebook, will not listen to sound, so they don’t really equate it as much, or they don’t understand the value of it. However, sound is very, like, people are very unforgiving when it comes to sound. So people take in 50% of the experience through sound and that’s a combination of, like, music, narration, sound design elements, and if you can’t hear what the person’s saying when you’re watching it, people will turn it off right away.” -- Mark Wonderlin My guest this week is the driving force behind Mosaic Media Films, and he brings more than expertise in video production – he brings a strategic marketing mindset. What sets his company apart is the unwavering focus on the marketing side of video content: he collaborates closely with clients, delving into the sales and marketing strategies of their businesses. This understanding allows him to create videos strategically tailored to drive traffic and boost sales.His name is Mark Wonderlin, and our discussion will range from hints on how to get the most out of longer-form content and where sound plays a part in the marketing and production of a great video to how best to use sound to sell, all while remaining authentic to your brand. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Sound in Video ProductionWe begin the episode with Mark’s earliest, most influential memories of sound, from playing basketball with his childhood friends to R&B groups like Boyz II Men and P.M. Dawn as a teenager. “I remember having the cassette player, listening to those cassettes, driving in my parents’ minivan,” he recalls. “Whenever I hear those songs it’s super nostalgic.” Our conversation turns to how he first got into video production, the unconscious impressions that sound design creates, and the challenge of keeping viewers engaged on platforms like TikTok, where you might have just a few seconds to make an impression. “I’m a big proponent of documentary filmmaking,” Mark adds. “Depending on the brand, it’s really good to just have that one-to-one narration directly connecting with the prospect.”(0:15:44) - Importance of Audio Branding ConsistencyThe discussion shifts to audio branding and the role it plays in video production, from including musical motifs and sonic logos to keeping the same voice talent for a more consistent audio brand. “They’ll use a campaign,” Mark says about auto companies, “and use the same voice throughout because it creates that feeling and emotion they want to invoke. Is it a male voice that’s really gritty? Is it a female voice that’s really soft and trusting?” We also talk about resisting the temptation to shake things up for the listener. “I think another mistake that companies typically make,” he explains, “usually smaller businesses, is the importance of consistency in branding. Because they’ll get tired of it and they’ll just want to change it. But to new prospects, they’re seeing it for the first time.”(0:19:59) - Effectiveness of Sonic BrandingMark also talks about the hidden

“The piano is the same way. The piano has a hammer that goes like that on the string. The harpsichord has a pintrip that is plucked, all right? What do you do on the guitar? You actually pluck the string or hit it like a hammer in a way. So, in a certain way of thinking, the guitar is not the stringed instrument that everyone thinks it is. On the other hand, what makes the guitar so difficult? The double stops, the triple stops, quadruple stops.” -- Jonathan TaylorThis episode is the second half of my conversation with musician and international concert artist Jonathan Taylor as we discuss the healing power of music, composing cinematic guitar compositions, and the surprising reason why the guitar might not be a string instrument after all.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every other Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(0:00:01) - Power of Sound and Space ExplorationAs the second half of our discussion begins, we talk about his chance meeting with the head of JPL during a music tour flight. “So we were talking,” Jonathan says, “and I didn’t rail at him, but I said, ‘You know, NASA really blew it.’ And he goes, ‘What? excuse me, sir?’” He shares more of his thoughts on the Space Race and what being a musician has taught him about holding onto an audience. “Even after two landings on the moon,” he recalls their conversation, “the viewership went like to nothing because everyone was bored. I said, ‘Well, you have to have a new project.’”(0:05:57) - Power of Healing Through MusicJonathan also recalls the places and events that made the deepest impression on him, including one listener at a concert whose life was literally transformed as a result. “A man had come into the auditorium,” he remembers his manager telling him, “and he was going to kill himself and he was on the brink of suicide, and he heard the concert and he decided not to kill himself.” We talk about sound’s power to reach out to people in unexpected ways, and he shares his thoughts on why the guitar isn’t necessarily a string instrument, or, at least, isn’t exactly played like one. “In executing a passage on the guitar to that exploding sound that you hear,” he says, “people ask, ‘How do you create that?’ And my answer is. ‘I release the energy.’ But it’s not enough for me to just tell you that.”(0:18:55) - Music and Filmmaking With Jonathan TaylorAs our conversation comes to a close, Jonathan reminds us once more of the new app he’s released, which you can find a link to at the bottom of this page. “I forgot to tell you,” he jokes, “I forgot to mention that, I don’t know what’s the matter. I’m forgetting so many...

“And so the concert comes, and, about the ending piece of the concert. I didn’t know who I was. All that vanity and ego, ‘I’m a classical musician,’ all of that stuff, those labels go right out the window. And why is that? Because it’s down to survival time now.” -- Jonathan TaylorThis episode’s guest is a California native who’s currently representing the U.S. as an American Cultural Specialist in South America and the Caribbean. He’s performed sold-out concerts for such luminaries as UN delegates, American ambassadors, and foreign heads of state. During his formative years in the 1970s and ‘80s, he studied music at Chapman University and was head of the music department at the Newport Institute of the Arts in Southern California. He’s known for his virtuosity and unique transcriptions and has performed extensively throughout Europe, North and South America, and Asia. He was one of the very first artists to record digitally back in the early ‘90s and he’s set about creating a catalogue of over three hundred tracks. His music is streaming worldwide on iTunes, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, Sirius Radio, and most streaming services everywhere.His name is Jonathan Taylor, and our two-part discussion is a must-listen for anyone interested in the power of sound – and particularly the power of music. Prepare to be inspired!As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every other Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(0:00:00) – Musical Journey and Touring AdventuresThe episode starts off with a look back at the start of Jonathan’s musical journey, and the grandmother who played the organ for silent movie productions. “Those things,” he says, “I’m sure, influenced me, and I started picking out tunes, you know, on the ukulele, because the guitar would have been too big for my fingers at that age.” He talks about the challenge of mastering, rather than just being proficient at, music, and the difficult promise he made to himself at age fourteen to truly master the guitar. “It is saying that you have made an oath to yourself,” he explains, “which is the only oath anyone can really make, and that it is going to require tremendous labor and work and discovery.”(0:16:51) – Jonathan’s Encounters Around the WorldOur conversation turns to the tours he’s been on all over the world, and how it’s broadened his perspective as a musician and as a person. “Once one steps out of the door of their domicile,” Jonathan tells us, “something will happen because you are now out into the world.” We talk about some of the famous people he met while touring in India and one memorable occasion at an ambassador’s house when music and politics...

“The way to get your rates up is to make them realize that you’re like the supply, and demand works in your favor if the supply is one, right? If you’re the only person doing this thing, not the only person mixing, not the only person doing, I don’t know, a Scottish Gen Z accent, I don’t know what the equivalent would be. It’s not just the only person doing that service, it’s the only person doing that service but from your set of experiences and perspectives, people are a lot more willing to pay for that. Because they’re not just getting your unique taste, your unique, like, approach to it, but it’s the peace of mind, knowing that you’ve got their back.” -- Carl Bahner This episode is the second half of my conversation with musician, mix engineer, and sonic wizard Carl Bahner as we talk about the true purpose of music producers, the importance of enthusiasm when it comes to branding, and what it takes to succeed in today’s post-Spotify music industry.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every other Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:00) – Artist’s Guide to Music BusinessThe episode begins with Carl’s biggest piece of advice for up-and-coming artists: “Know what you’re signing up for.” As he puts it, record labels are in the business to make money, not to necessarily make things easier for the band. “They think that having a label is going to solve all their problems,” he says. “They can just be themselves, do what they want, and everybody has to listen to us. And that’s not how business partnerships work.” We talk about building your brand and professional relationships, and being recognized for what you have to offer. “It’s not about changing who I am to try to fit what I think that they want,” “he explains. “It’s just saying, okay, the people that are going to find the most value in what I do are going to find the most value in who I am and why I do what I do.” (0:13:07) – Pricing Strategy for Creative FreelancersWe discuss finding your passion as a freelancer and the importance of bringing that sense of enthusiasm and genuine interest into each project. “What is it,” Carl asks, “that I just absolutely have the most passion, just, like, pouring out of me when I’m doing it, and then ask yourself, okay, well, if there’s a market for that.” He shares what he’s learned about the value of networking and building a reputation for reliability and trustworthiness, and the new role of music in today’s digital gig economy. “Your music is no longer the product or thing that you create,” he says. “Your music is advertisement for you. The music that you make on social media, it’s the...

“It was when I started figuring out, without knowing what it was called, because I also didn’t have any marketers in my life growing up. But when I was finding gigs for myself when I was the freelancer, mercenary, playing with a bunch of different people, I had to learn what these people are looking for. How do I figure out how to let them know that I can be the good fit for them? How do I find the people that I think I’m going to be a good fit for? And how do I convince them that I’m a good fit for them? Which is ultimately what the personal branding is.” -- Carl BahnerThis episode’s guest is a mix engineer, educator, and a brand strategy super-nerd on a mission to help artists and producers make great songs and help other studio pros attract ideal clients.  Hailing from rural Pennsylvania, he’s made a name for himself internationally as a team-builder and sonic wizard, focusing his boundless enthusiasm on playful, memorable, vibrant music. Working with artists like The Wombats and Hippo Campus, he’s proven highly adept at producing earworms tailored to fit like a favorite T-shirt.  But don’t be fooled by his youthful energy – he’s a seasoned pro who’s toured extensively and opened for major acts like Walk The Moon and Charli XCX.In addition to mixing and production, he hosts the podcast Thanks For Thinking and is a passionate educator when it comes to sharing industry knowledge through content creation: he recently released an online course called “Communicating The Care” that’s aimed at helping studio pros clarify their perspectives and connect with ideal clients seeking meaningful collaborations.His name is Carl Bahner. and this discussion will challenge the myth of the starving artist and give creatives some comprehensive steps to make sure they get paid what they’re worth.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every other Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(0:00:00) – Early Musical Memories and Instrument ExplorationWe start things off with a look back at Carl’s early memories of sound, or, in this case, the new memories he’s creating with his six-month-old daughter.  “That’s way better than my early memories,” he jokes, “which is probably just listening to Sandi Patty cassette tapes in my mom’s car or something.” Carl shares his journey through music, from the piano to the clarinet, and how he discovered the guitar. “What drew it to me is,” he explains, “or drew me to it, was the fact that there was so much more variation in what you could do with it – and, I think, a lot more exciting possibilities.” (0:12:55) – From Trumpet to PercussionCarl shares with us his...

When you think about shopping, what sound comes to mind? It might be the carts rolling up and down the aisles, or maybe the beeps of the scanners when you’re standing in the check-out line. Music might not be the first thing that crosses our minds, but it’s almost always in the background of our shopping trips, and it can have a surprising impact. From how long we stay in the store and how much we spend while we’re there to how we feel about it afterward, sound plays a pivotal, and often unnoticed, role in our purchasing decisions that we’re still working to understand.If you think about it, using music to change the way we think and feel about an experience isn’t all that surprising. Whether we’re soothing babies to sleep with lullabies or marching into battle with drums and horns, sound has always helped give shape and texture to our daily lives. In modern times, that’s meant music at work and out in public, such as the Music While You Work radio program that ran in the UK until 1967 or the “Muzak” that filled American department stores and elevators in the 1950s. But the science of sound has come a long way since those early days, and the commercial soundscape has become much more sophisticated. What does the latest research say about the influence of sound on our spending habits? Can sound even be used to turn us into more responsible shoppers?During the heyday of elevator music and workplace radios, there was another famous – or, perhaps, infamous – approach to using sound as a marketing tool. That tool was subliminal advertising, and it only became possible over the last century, as vocal recordings and sound editing allowed secret messages to be layered beneath an audio track or “backmasked” into reversed snippets hidden within the melody. Those subliminal messages, the thinking went, could cause unsuspecting moviegoers to crave popcorn, or even turn ordinary teenagers into rebellious rock-and-roll fans.The good news for free thinkers is that subliminal advertising never really worked that way. Reversed audio doesn’t create any sort of subconscious suggestion, and, while soft, layered words can leave a faint impression on listeners, it’s actually a weaker effect than just saying the words out loud in an ordinary commercial. If you’re curious about the rise and fall of subliminal audio, check out this short video from Cheddar about the fake study that started it all:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-eUcXcaqkWe might not be able to use hidden messages to boost soda sales, but sound does motivate us as shoppers in ways that we hardly notice. Music can have a powerful effect on the brain, such as lowering our cortisol and stress levels when we listen to a soothing song, and a 2010 study found that music also releases dopamine in the brain. This came as something of a surprise to researchers, since it means music activates the same sense of innate pleasure as food, money, or even love.Sound has a much deeper impact on us than we realize, and a UK study in 2022 showed that different genres of music lead to different behavior when it comes to shopping. Pop music motivates people to spend more and to make more impulse purchases: 37% more people were likely to try a new hairstyle in a salon that’s playing pop music. Other genres have their place, though, as 31% more diners ordered the most expensive menu items in a restaurant that played classical music. The only sound that didn’t have any upside for businesses is silence: according to a consumer survey conducted by Luxury Academy last year, 67% of shoppers would leave a store that isn’t playing any music.Want to hear what shoppers think of store music? Here’s a short video by the Irish Music Rights Organization that interviews customers on the street, including a surprising number who make their shopping...

“If you take the, you know, Foley work and the soundtrack out of a movie and just show, you know, the film with just the dialogue, even a great movie, it just, it completely falls emotionally flat, right? It just it’s, you know, if George Lucas had not hired John Williams to do the score for Star Wars, it would probably be a little-remembered, B-grade science fiction movie that hardly anybody would even know. The music kind of glosses over some of the kind of tropey, pulpy shortcomings of the script.  I mean, because the music is just majestic. It’s amazing.” -- Jeff Bohnhoff This episode is the second half of my conversation with musician, audio engineer, and longtime producer Jeff Bohnhoff as we discuss his firsthand experience with Dolby Atmos music production, his collaborations with a wide range of artists, and both the past and future of audio technology.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:00) – Music Production and Collaboration ExperiencesOur conversation picks up with Jeff’s work with Dolby Atmos in the studio, and how it compares with traditional stereo. “It’s like, ‘I guess it’s different, yeah,’” he describes listening to a remaster, “and then I went back to the stereo mix and then it was like, ‘oh yeah, now I can really hear the difference.’” We talk about his professional and personal collaborations, and the different expectations and styles that come with each new artist. “It’s interesting, though,” he explains, “working with different people, because, you know, when you collaborate with people, everybody has their own style.” (0:07:35) – Album Collaboration With Folk MusiciansJeff also talks about his collaboration with such acclaimed filk singers as Katy Dröge-Macdonald and Steve Macdonald of Twotonic and  Dr. Mary Crowell. “The songs are so beautiful,” he says, “and the lyrics are really poignant and I just really felt like we were both kind of on top of our game for that album.” He shares snippets of such songs as “Jazz & Mai” and “I Put My Low Stat,” and we talk about the storytelling power of music, whether it’s about gaming, mythology, or even sci-fi blockbusters. “I’ve heard George Lucas in interviews,” Jeff says, “pretty much acknowledge that, when, you know, he first saw a cut of the film with the score, it was like, ‘oh wow, we have something here.’” (0:19:33) – How Music Can Bring Us...

“I know, like, Apple Music is offering that, so you don’t have to have anything but a pair of headphones in order to listen to most music. And it’s even possible on some computers. I know, like, Apple MacBook Pros, if you just play through the speakers in the computer, it’s astonishing. It gives it, it’s got DSP built in that, just, basically, it sounds like the mix is all around you. So, yeah. So that, wow, and none of those things are possible with, um, you know, the classic, you know, surround formats, which is one of the reasons I think that Atmos is going to probably, um, you know, catch on a lot more, more readily than those did.” -- Jeff Bohnhoff This episode’s guest is a musician, audio engineer, and producer. He’s been performing and recording with Maya, his musical partner and wife, for over forty years, and he’s produced more than twenty albums for various artists. His name is Jeff Bohnhoff, and this week’s discussion about the power of sound and music, the changes in recording from analog to digital, and his thoughts about the future of audio with the rise of Dolby Atmos, make for a fascinating discussion. If you’re an audio engineer or just interested in where audio tech is taking us, this discussion’s bound to be inspirational!As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:00) – Early Memories of Musical InfluenceThe conversation starts off with a look back at Jeff’s memories of sound, from the toy record player of his childhood to the rock albums of his teenage years. “I remember just kind of lying there,” he says, “and wishing to myself, ‘Man, I wish I could create something like that.’" He tells us about receiving his first guitar, and how, despite a rough start, it led to bigger and better things. “I wasn’t any good,” he recalls, “I was terrible. But I was stubborn, and then I saved up some money and bought a better guitar, and it just kind of went from there.” (0:04:41) – A Musician’s Early CareerWe talk about his first band and the chance meeting that led to both his second band and meeting his future wife, Maya. “We were doing a lot of cover songs,” Jeff tells us. “We were playing like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Rush, stuff like that.” He explains how MIDI controllers had just begun to shake up the music industry around that same time, and how they sparked his fascination with early electronic music and digital audio’s ability to create true one-person performances. “I was doing electronic music,” he says, “but I wasn’t really doing what you would think of as electronic music. I was trying to recreate the...

“I was, like, on tour, I spent twenty hours driving all over Ohio, talking to different places. And I work from home, so I don’t drive a ton. And now I was, and I was listening to all these podcasts, and I was amazed how many times I had to ride the volume knob because somebody would be talking, and then somebody would come in and they’re much, a much lower volume. And then normally, even in a quiet room, you might be able to get away with that, but not when there’s now noise from the tires and the atmosphere. And I was just like, wow, there’s a lot of really bad audio out there. And there are tools, there’s Auphonic, there’s all sorts of things you can do to make things level. And that’s the other one besides the whole reverb room and the dog barking and things like that. Some of the stuff you can’t avoid, kids are not really... A three-year-old doesn’t care that daddy’s recording a podcast, but you can still try to bribe them with cookies or something to be quiet while you’re recording.” -- Dave Jackson This episode is the second half of my conversation with pioneering podcast host, consultant, and School of Podcasting founder Dave Jackson, as we talk about building and growing your podcast, why now may be the best time in years to start a podcast, and Dave’s podcasting tips for beginners.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(0:00:00) – Podcasting Fundamentals and EvolutionWe begin the second half of our discussion with Dave’s strategies for growing a podcast, and, most importantly, figuring out why it exists. “Is it to position myself as an expert?” he asks. “Is it part of a marketing plan of my company? Is it cheap therapy, which it is at times? You know, I just want to get the word out. I’m creative and I want to do my art man, you know that kind of thing. So you’ve got all those reasons.” Dave also shares the lessons we can learn from celebrity podcasts, the perils of what he calls "room-verb", and how AI is continuing to transform the industry. “By the time we’re done with this interview, there’ll be yet another piece of AI where you upload your audio and it’ll make a newsletter for you. It’ll transcribe it, it’ll do your laundry. It slices, dices, and makes Julienne fries.” (0:13:05) - Microphone Upgrades and Audio QualityDave talks about his podcasting hardware and software tips, and about striking the right balance between recording the best sound at the moment vs. editing it in post-production. We also talk about how having the right microphone can be its own confidence booster. “Sometimes it’s not so much that you know your...

“And I hit play on it, and I hear ‘Hello, Dave, this is Michael Van Lahr from Nuremberg, Germany.’ I’m in the basement of my brother’s house. This is where I started. And that, which goes back to, it doesn’t matter. Just, just start. And my brother goes ‘Did he say Nuremberg, Germany?’ And I go ‘Yeah.’ And we just sat there for the longest time, just, ‘Hello, Dave. Hello, Dave.’ I’m like, and I was just like, wow, there’s somebody, I’m in the middle of Mogadore, Ohio – everyone together, ‘Where?’ Yeah, exactly. It’s me and the cows. And there’s some guy on the other side of the planet that found my stuff.” -- Dave Jackson This week’s guest has been helping people understand technology for over twenty years as a trainer and consultant. He launched the School of Podcasting in 2005 and was inducted into the Podcasting Hall of Fame in 2018. He’s also the author of Profit From Your Podcast: Proven Strategies to Turn Listeners into a Livelihood, and has launched over thirty podcasts with four million downloads.His name is Dave Jackson, and if you want to learn more about what it takes to have a compelling podcast that lasts – and I’m always interested in learning about that myself – this is the place to be. Dave’s also a musician with a unique perspective on where podcasting has been and where it’s going, and he’s pretty outspoken, so you won’t want to miss out on what he has to say.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:00) – Passion for Sound and PodcastingWe start the conversation with Dave’s early memories of sound, his start as a musician, and how tinnitus has changed both his life and his relationship with sound. “When it comes to sound,” he says, “I’m, like, I hate silence because it makes my ear-ringing, just, you know, kick into gear.” He tells us about how a surprise career change led to him to Libsyn and podcasting. “I was, like,” he explains, “if I wanted to, if I have to stand up and say ‘this is the place where you host your media,’ I’m, like, where would I go? And at the time, I was like, you know what? Libsyn. So that’s why I chose them.” (0:10:43) - Improvising and Rolling With Technology GlitchesThe topic turns to the lessons Dave learned as a musician about improvising and rolling with the performance punches, and how they’ve helped him grow as a podcaster. “That’s one of the things that I think podcasters don’t do enough of,” he says, “just play, like, as a musician. You spend hours in the basement, just, wood-shedden’ is what they call it.” We discuss the art of what...

“I think sound has this ability. We talked about meaning, we talked about engagement, we talked about flexibility, versatility... but I feel like people are used to visual communication. They understand that there’s logo, animation and everything is like the sign, the bottom of the page, et cetera. I feel like you add this extra layer of surprise as well, that it’s quite interesting.” -- Valentin Fleur This episode is the second half of my conversation with marketing expert, sonic branding strategist, and Sixième Son managing director Valentin Fleur as we talk about the future of sonic branding, creating a stronger visual brand through sound, and what goes into a sonic logo.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:01) – The Digital Future of Sonic BrandingAs the second half of our conversation starts, we talk about the rise, fall, and possible return of Meta, how AI-generated content is shaking up the creative sector, and where it all might lead. “If I had to make this comparison,” Val says, “what I like about it is it’s very well controlled, so you have defined the ingredients and the flavors, so it’s easier.” We also discuss the evolution of augmented reality as well as virtual reality, and the prospect of sonic branding in a virtual environment. (0:06:04) - Enhancing Brand Identity Through SoundOur conversation turns to the question of whether audio marketing can be manipulative, and how sonic branding can help create a genuine connection by conveying emotional subtext and layers to a message. Val tells us about an Ipsos study in 2020 that showed an eight-fold performance increase for ads with a sonic logo, and we discuss how he gains insight into a company’s brand from a variety of perspectives. “You know, some people will have worked for, like, oh, ‘I just arrived,” he explains. “That’s great, like, we want to hear your perspective because you are fresh in the organization.” (0:14:12) - Creative Process in Developing Sonic BrandsVal goes on to describe how he helps a company find and create a connection with their sonic logo, considering a range of factors such as industry, market saturation, and feedback from a diverse listening committee. “That’s what the market is looking for,” he says, “a little bit more engagement, a little bit more performance, and to make sure that they can make the most of their communication investment.” We talk about his work with companies like TD and Arant Express on building a sonic brand ecosystem, and Val offers his answer to the big question: why does sound...

“I think, right now, I’ve noticed kind of two opposite trends. I don’t know if they’re opposite, but they’re very, very different. On one hand, I feel like my clients, my clients, they want to talk to their audiences for a longer period of time. They want to engage in a more conversational way. So, you know, they want to find the proper tone. We’re talking about a vocal identity. We’re talking about, they want to explain what they stand for. They want to detail their offers.” -- Valentin Fleur This episode’s guest has fifteen years of experience when it comes to driving innovative brand marketing strategies and communication campaigns. Before joining Sixième Son he was a Group Account Director for Havas Paris and worked on such high-profile accounts as Mercedes-Benz and Parc Astérix. He partnered with Sixième Son for a retail brand before opening Sixième Son’s office in Canada and supervising their strategy efforts for both the North American and European markets. He manages brands all across the Americas, such as Royal Bank of Canada, Interac, Orient Express, and United HealthCare.His name is Valentin Fleur, and with his extensive knowledge of audio branding, he’s the perfect person to talk to about the current state of audio advertising, where he feels the industry can innovate, and what might be coming in the future. So stay tuned!As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:00) – The Power of Sound in AdvertisingThe episode starts with Val’s earliest memories of sound, from the sounds of nature in the Alps to Jimi Hendrix and the Cure on the radio, and how his creativity drew him both to advertising and exploring the power of sound in branding and behavior. “It’s funny how sound moves us in so many different ways,” he explains. “When I think about sound and when I explain what I’m doing, I tend to say that music is pure emotion and it can manage to connect you on so many different levels.” (0:15:11) - Sonic Brand Evolution and TrendsWe also talk about sound in advertising and how important it is to build on a core brand when it comes to sound branding. Val shares the insights he gained from his work on State Farm’s famous audio brand, and how he uses voice archetypes to guide his brand creation process. “It was this very interesting approach to sound,” he says, “and I knew from talking about the way sound affects us and gets to us, that sound was an important component to brand messaging and brand expression.” (0:20:09) - Impact of Music on Shopping BehaviorThe conversation turns to the...

“Why not brand the sound so people know that they’re with a certain bank? Why not make it a little bit more ‘here’s your money’, which is a little bit more successful sounding, versus ‘don’t forget your card,’ which could be a little bit more alarming sounding. But you don’t want a bank to sound like a perfect human being. You don’t want an ATM to sound like a perfect human being saying ‘Hey, Jodi, you forgot your ATM card,’ you know.” -- Laurence Minsky This episode’s the second half of my discussion with author, branding expert, and media marketing professor Laurence Minsky, as we talk about the role of human voice in a world of AI, how companies can stand out in an audio-first world, and the prospect of an audio-driven, screenless future.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:01) - The Importance of Sound in CommunicationThe second half of our conversation starts as Laurence talks about the growth of audio-first devices and how much more convenient sound can be for consumers. “It’s getting easier and easier to put sound into everything,” as he puts it. We also talk about the increasingly blurry line between human and AI voices, and what role each might play as AI continues to evolve. “Your ears will pick up that something’s not right,” Laurence says. “So maybe in some situations that might be okay, but probably not for most connections and communications that need and want some humanity involved.” (0:09:24) - The Common Misconceptions of Audio BrandingWe also discuss the different techniques employed by visual branding, and how audio branding is starting to catch up. “You know,” Laurence explains about both visual and sonic logos, “What kind of font are we picking? What kind of color? The same kind of consideration should go into an audio brand.” The topic also turns to the prospect of a world where most of our devices are run by sound rather than by sight. “People get more comfortable with sound and talking to their computer,” he says, “as opposed to typing at their computer and Talking to their phone, not to a friend on the phone. I think that’s one of the few things we don’t do on our phone these days is actually talk.” (0:20:06) - Voice and Audio Branding Impact“How do you stand out,” Laurence asks, “when all you’re being, all you have, is sound, when you’re just being heard, that’s it. There’s no visual at all.... that’s part of what audio branding helps solve.” He explains the value of sonic branding in our increasingly audio-first world and the opportunities it offers to companies with a

“I was just looking at a LinkedIn post. And they’re talking about branding and strategy, and everything in there was visual. There was nothing about sound, nothing about texture, nothing about taste. And it all goes together in the brand and brand perception. But sound is so strong compared to sight. It directs. It helps direct sight. It helps interpret what you’re seeing.” -- Laurence Minsky This week’s guest is a professor of advertising and social media marketing at Columbia College Chicago. His unique perspective, shaped by his early exposure to diverse music and a family deeply rooted in advertising, has fueled his success in the industry, and in our interview, he retraces his journey from being a music enthusiast to a respected advertiser, sharing captivating stories of his early interactions with sound and music. He’s an advertising, branding, and marketing consultant for many of the world’s leading brands, and the co-author of numerous best-selling marketing books, including a personal favorite of mine, Audio Branding: Using Sound to Build Your Brand.His name is Laurence Minsky, and this is a conversation I’ve looked forward to sharing for a long time. If you’re interested in the power of sound, there’s a lot of great information in store.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:01) – Embracing the Power of SoundWe begin the episode with a look back at Laurence’s early memories of sound and his dad’s love of classic rock. “He took me to as a really, really young kid to Led Zeppelin,” Laurence recalls, “where I was, like, in the tenth-row center, so there was the stereo sound you’d hear” He also shares his first foray into audio branding, and how he discovered his enthusiasm for sound. “I was a psych major,” he says, “and I wanted to combine my interest in psychology, my interest in not just music but, you know, media and my interest in writing into one career. And advertising was it, since I knew about it.” (0:11:27) - The Importance of Sound in BrandingWe also discuss the power of branding, and how negative brand awareness can even overcome our firsthand impressions. “I read some research,” Laurence says, “about a large brand and pizza and, you know, in a blind taste test it scored off the charts. But then, when they put the company name on the pizza, it scored below the floor, you know, as if it was awful.” The conversation turns to the unique power sound has over visual marketing to shape a brand. “What is the definition of the brand?” he asks. “How does it get defined? What does it look like? That’s really more...

“Because it’s very difficult to be different and distinctive and you kind of need both of them in this modern advertising world because everything’s so fragmented. Um, people are not just sitting down at the TV at a certain time or listening to the radio together. You know, it’s a much more solo experience than it was when we were growing up. And I think lots of people aren’t seeing the same stuff or hearing the same stuff. And so therefore it’s very difficult for brands to make an impact.” -- Josh Butt This week’s episode is the second half of my conversation with award-winning content creator, sonic branding expert, and Ampel co-founder and Chief Production Officer, Josh Butt as we talk about the shifting podcast marketing landscape, the rise of audio AI and its impact on the industry, and which famous sonic logo still triggers a Pavlovian cue in Josh’s brain even decades later.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:01) - The Importance of Sound in MarketingThe second half of our discussion starts with some of the most famous sonic brands of the decade, some of which have reinvented themselves while others found a tried-and-true sound. “They spent a lot of money and time and efforts,” he says about HBO’s distinctive melody, “to figure out if they should change it and the answer was no, and bravo, because, they didn’t need to change it.” We talk about the increasingly crowded podcast market, with advertising expected to double within the next two years. “Everyone wants a podcast,” Josh says. “Everyone wants an ad, Everyone wants a sound.” (0:20:29) - Evolution of Sonic BrandsWe also discuss the breakthrough in AI over the past year, particularly in sound and music, and what it means for both brands and content creators. “Well, we’re gonna hear a lot about AI voices and AI music,” he says, “and I think you know we should jump on that.” Josh also tells us about the dangers AI music might pose, from creator livelihoods to a homogeneous sound that makes it more difficult to stand out. “They’ve got a big problem,” he explains, “because they’re gonna end up being very bland... it won’t be distinctive, it won’t be memorable, it won’t be hummable, it won’t be singable.” (0:23:56) - Branding and Advertising in Media LandscapeWe also talk about the power of sound to shape lifelong impressions and Pavlovian habits, whether it’s Intel’s unforgettable four-note logo or, in Josh’s case, EA Sports’ classic “It’s in the Game” motto. “You know it’s a game,” he says, “but the Pavlovian response that exists... it...

“Usually the thing I love about sound is how it answers the question within a very short period of time. You don’t have to listen for very long, right? If you hear a message twice, you go, ‘Oh, that must be their message.’ Turned up in two ads, you know, like it becomes a current. I mean, to me, it’s obvious pretty quickly.” -- Josh Butt This episode’s guest is the Chief Production Officer of Ampel and an award-winning content creator of podcasts, TV, audio ads, and video content with over 25 years of experience. With an ear for sonic logos, musical stings, and funny ads, his work makes audiences laugh, think and act.  He’s won a number of awards along the way and has previously worked at MediaCom, Storylab, ABC, and Triple M. A VCA and Monash Business school graduate, he’s a past participant of The Observership Program, a former lecturer at the Australian Film, Television, and Radio School, a former board member of Co-Curious / Curious Works, and he currently sits on the Create NSW Multi-Arts Board.His name is Josh Butt and if you’re interested in learning more about the correlation between sound and memory, where humor fits into advertising, and how companies can make the best impact with curated sound, stay tuned because you’re going to want to hear what he has to say!As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:00) - From Music to AdvertisingWe start off with a look back at Josh’s early memories of sound, which, in his case, turns out to be the infamous “your door is ajar” car alert from the ‘80s. “It was a cool car,” he recalls. “I mean, sorry, it wasn’t a very cool car, but it had a great sound. That’s probably the first sound that I can think of.” Josh tells us about the importance of being adaptable in the Australian market, and how it led to him taking on a range of audio roles. “I had a business degree,” he says, “and so falling into the producer line sort of became my thing because I could communicate with all the creative people.” (0:07:14) - Analog vs Digital Media and Sonic BrandingJosh also tells us about his early work with analog tape vs. digital audio, which one he prefers, and how his early days in podcasting led him into audio marketing. “Sonic branding has really been a focus of mine,” he explains, “as well as making radio ads and podcast ads that are for the audience.” We talk about some of the famous brands he’s worked with and the enduring impact a sonic brand can make.  “They’ll be reaping the rewards from this,” he says about the famous McDonald’s jingle, “for twenty years because what...

“I see in your videos and I hear your, a lot of your episodes and I could tell right away, Jodi, you do have fun. You laugh, you’re laughing right now, you’re smiling. I mean, you’re obviously having fun. And I obviously don’t want to be on a podcast with somebody that has a very straight face and has a monotone voice and is not laughing. I think it depends on what the topic is. Oh yeah, definitely.” -- Bruce Chamoff Have you considered starting a podcast but are unsure of what direction to take? Tune into the second half of my conversation with World Podcast Network CEO Bruce Chamoff where we touch on various aspects of podcasting, from reasons to start one to the importance of content creation and audio quality to social media management. We’ll help you understand how a podcast can help you monetize, establish yourself as an expert or influencer, or just provide a platform to express your passions.We also discuss the technical side of podcasting, particularly the need for good audio quality and how it can affect your listener’s experience. Bruce and I explore the podcasting equipment marketplace and how to enhance sound quality in less-than-ideal environments. We also discuss the role of social media management in building an online presence and its challenges. So whether you’re looking to start a podcast or already have one, this episode is packed with useful advice and insights to help you succeed in the podcasting realm. Listen in as we help navigate the exciting world of podcasting!As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:01) - Reasons to Have a PodcastThe second half of our conversation starts with Bruce’s advice on keeping podcasts lively and the listeners engaged. “I hear the episode,” he says, “and the podcaster is very, very dreary, right, Very, very monotone. They don’t have that joy, they don’t laugh and, yeah, I can see why people think that podcasts are boring.” He also tells us about his first music podcast and how its lessons helped inspire him to create the World Podcast Network. “But now just running the podcast network,” he explains, “it’s just more. It’s it’s more of a purpose for me to actually educate people in podcasting.” (0:07:52) - Content Creation and Podcast MarketplaceBruce also tells us about his experiences as a musician with Spotify, and how the online era has transformed what it means to be a recording artist. “First of all,” he tells us, “albums supposedly are not like, they’re coming back, but they’re not as active as they were like in the ’70s and ’80s, because Spotify changed the entire game with that.”

“You wanna know the hobbies, they’re part of the psychographics. That’s the lifestyle. And I say this all the time: you’re not going to make any money if you’re a football podcast and you’re marketing yourself to baseball fans. And I say this. You’ve I got people coming to me saying, you know, ‘I have a sports podcast, but I’m not making any money. Why am I not?’ Well, what sports are you talking about?” -- Bruce Chamoff This episode’s guest is a web developer, musician, marketing visionary, and the CEO of the successful World Podcast Network. His passion for music started at the tender age of six, and his journey since has been nothing short of inspirational. He’s also a pioneering podcaster, having started his podcast network to promote both his own music and local musicians from Long Island, New York.Podcasting has seen a remarkable evolution over the years and he’s been a consistent part of it, adapting and thriving amidst the changes. He shared how the pandemic led to an explosion of new shows on his network, pushing it close to a thousand. With the ever-increasing number of social media platforms, streaming services, and podcast hosting sites, the competition is fierce, but he’s undeterred. He emphasizes the importance of targeted marketing, and understanding your audienceHis name is Bruce Chamoff, and he has a lot of advice to share, whether you’re a podcaster, a musician, or just looking for better ways to get your message out into the world.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:01) - Musician’s JourneyAs the episode starts, Bruce talks about his earliest experiences with music and how they helped shape his career in sound. “I’m a songwriter and musician,” he says, “so I played piano starting at six years old and used to airplay the piano to Elton John songs... the music just moved me enough to want to be a musician and write music,” We talk about the birth of podcasting and how Bruce’s longtime dream of being a DJ and sharing the music he loved with others, found new life as a podcaster. “That desire stayed with me for years,” he explains, “and then, when podcasting came out in 2005, I decided ‘let me build a network and include as many podcasts as I can’ – and that’s how it was born.” (0:05:42) - Podcasting Success and Industry ChangesWe also talk about podcasting before and after the pandemic, and how the shift to virtual meetings and working from home helped podcasting explode into the mainstream. “Before the pandemic,” he notes, “the podcast network had only about 200 shows. Now we’re almost close to...

“But you don’t know how that user is going to do it. Are they going to somersault through the entire level? Are they going to climb up a wall and jump down? And are they going to just sit in a corner for a while and then walk three steps and then sit in a corner for a while? You don’t know if somebody is going to, how somebody is going to play. And that’s the beauty. And that’s the draw of video games and the interactivity of it.” -- Chris Hegstrom This episode’s the second half of my conversation with sound designer, creative director, and Insomniac Games audio manager Chris Hegstrom as we talk about how far video game sound designs have come since Space Invaders, how the pioneering soundscape of Burnout Paradise helped reshape everyday UX design, and what the next breakthrough in gaming audio might bring. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (0:00:01) - Game Design and Sound Integration ComplexityOur discussion continues as we talk about the advantages of video gaming’s early one-man operations, and how the industry’s grown to rival Hollywood post-production fidelity. “In video games,” he says, “we essentially have that fidelity now, and it’s interactive, which means you set up the parameters so that the user can mix it while they’re playing.“ He also talks about the trends going forward when it comes to video-game sound, and what he thinks might prove a bigger hit than 3D sound. “I think the next trend is going to be a lot more maybe CPU based,” he explains, “or a lot more based on really kind of amping up the interactivity to the point where you as the audio designer are actually really impacting the interactivity of the user or what the user’s experience might be within a game.” (0:20:16) - Audio Design and UX in GamingChris also tells us about his sound work on the classic PS3 game Burnout Paradise, and the science behind the heart-pounding, and groundbreaking, ambient effects. “The response that I got from a user,” he recalls, “was, you know, like, ‘I don’t know what you guys did to the music, but man, like every time I was chaining a burnout, my palms were sweaty!’ And I said, ‘That’s it.’” We also talk about how such dynamic audio techniques are showing up in everyday apps and UX designs, and the pressure for video game consoles to keep pushing the envelope when it comes to sound. “You know,” Chris explains, “every generation of console that you release and every title that you release has to utilize these, you know, these crazy features even more and more vigorously and more...