Special guest Sebastian Kaul joins the show. He's a product innovation manager by profession and a designer at heart. We talk about better collaboration of PMs and designers, user experience going beyond design, empowerment of people, and more… Links and Show Notes: Sebastian Kaul's LinkedIn Profile

Special guest Josh Chisholm joins the show. He's a senior designer focusing on design systems at Reddit with previous roles at Google and SAP. We talk about technical design roles, design systems, seniority, the Peter Principle, remote work, and more… Links and Show Notes: Design Systems Article "Systems, Mistakes, and the Sea" by Robin Rendle "Guidance Over Governance" by Jen Yee and Luca Orio of Netflix From Figma’s Schema Conference 2021 The Peter Principle Clockwise - Automatically Moves Meetings in Order to Optimize Your Calendar and Free up Focus Time Josh Chisholm's Website Josh Chisholm's LinkedIn Profile

Special guest Brett Wakefield joins the show. He's a Senior Design Manager at SAP. We talk about the responsibilities of a senior design manager, managing up, down and sideways, the seniority gap, why saying no is good, taking effective breaks, and more… Links and Show Notes: Brett Wakefield's LinkedIn Profile Brett Wakefield's Strava Profile