Bertie talks to Drew Pendergrass, coauthor of Half Earth Socialism, recently published by Verso books. They discuss geoengineering, population scaremongering, climate colonialism, and the big question for many on the left: will we be able to mitigate the climate crisis under capitalism?

Further reading:

• Buy Half Earth Socialism from Verso, currently at a discount.
• Read Bertie's review of the book on Land and Climate here.
• Play Troy and Drew's climate simulation game here.
• Find more from Troy and Drew on their website.

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