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Tu Le & Lei Xing

Electric Vehicle (EV) & mobility experts Tu Le and Lei Xing plug you in to all the latest going's on in the 🇨🇳EV & mobility space that are sure to have effects on the 🇺🇸 and 🇪🇺 regions. Specifically, Tu and Lei dissect the week’s most important news coming out of the China EV/Autonomous Driving (AV), chip, battery, ride-hailing, shared & micro-mobility verticals. Learn more about companies like: #NIO #XPeng # LiAuto #BYD #Arcfox #Seres #Voyah #Xiaomi #Huawei #Tesla #GM #Ford #VW #Audi #Merc #BMW #Didi #Meituan #WeRide #Pony.ai #AutoX #Baidu #Apollo #Hesai #Seyond #RoboSense

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Technically inclined listeners passionate about electric vehicles (EVs) will love this podcast. China EVs & More updates and informs listeners on the latest news surrounding the industry. Hosts Tu Le and Lei Xing guide listeners through the world of EVs and mobility. They're determined to keep listeners up to date with the latest EV news.

But this show isn't a reporting-style podcast. Instead, it's a unique conversation starter for enthusiasts in the EV world. The hosts discuss how EV and mobility tech impacts the globe. But the main focus is to break down its impact on China and the United States.

Listeners can expect weekly updates. Additionally, they'll hear unique perspectives on the latest news. The hosts make it clear from the start that they're sharing their own opinions. In other words, listeners shouldn't look to this podcast for EV investing advice. The hosts often have expert guests in the EV and tech space. Usually, they interview them about updates and advancements in the topic. Guests always bring a new perspective and lots of energy to the conversation.

The podcast's format is consistent and reliable. Most episodes open with a quick recap of the latest happenings. Then hosts and guests launch into their thoughts on the news. They share opinions and perspectives on what's next in these industries too. This podcast is a great option for listeners seeking a thought-provoking listen about the EV world.

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Episode #158 - Li Auto Surprises (not in a good way), The Role of Social Media on EVs in China and the EV100 & Nvidia GTC Conferences

Episode #158 - Li Auto Surprises (not in a good way), The Role of Social Media on EVs in China and the EV100 & Nvidia GTC Conferences

Li Auto adjusting their Q1 sales guidance downward was the first topic of discussion in this week's podcast. Of the three WeiXiaoLi triplets, Li Auto has been the darling of Wall Street but their sales have very suddenly hit a wall Tu then gives a short lesson on master production schedules, ordering parts and lead times and how any sudden change in that schedule can complicate things and lead to issues with the supply chain and inventory levels. Tu and Lei move back to a conversation about Xiaomi and their staying power and the power of social media in China and how it can help and hurt you in a very fast and severe way.Lei moves the discussion over to the annual press conference from BMW and how they also would like to continue with free markets for Chinese imports into the European market. The podcast closes out with some quick hits about some photo ops between CEOs, the EV100 and Nvidia GTC conferences, who spoke at them and what they said.

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Episode #158 - Li Auto Surprises (not in a good way), The Role of Social Media on EVs in China and the EV100 & Nvidia GTC Conferences

Episode #158 - Li Auto Surprises (not in a good way), The Role of Social Media on EVs in China and the EV100 & Nvidia GTC Conferences

Li Auto adjusting their Q1 sales guidance downward was the first topic of discussion in this week's podcast. Of the three WeiXiaoLi triplets, Li Auto has been the darling of Wall Street but their sales have very suddenly hit a wall Tu then gives a short lesson on master production schedules, ordering parts and lead times and how any sudden change in that schedule can complicate things and lead to issues with the supply chain and inventory levels. Tu and Lei move back to a conversation about Xiaomi and their staying power and the power of social media in China and how it can help and hurt you in a very fast and severe way.Lei moves the discussion over to the annual press conference from BMW and how they also would like to continue with free markets for Chinese imports into the European market. The podcast closes out with some quick hits about some photo ops between CEOs, the EV100 and Nvidia GTC conferences, who spoke at them and what they said.

Episode #157 - Porsche Update, NIO's ONVO and BYD Abroad

Episode #157 - Porsche Update, NIO's ONVO and BYD Abroad

Lei headed over to Germany for Porsche's Annual Press Conference so much of the podcast was dedicated to what Lei learned about during his visit and led to a broader discussion about Volkswagen Group and what Tu thought about VW Group's annual press conference and how important Porsche is to Volkswagen Group's global goals. After a detailed discussion on Germany's largest automaker and one of its most important brands, the discussion moved over to NIO and their reaching 40M swaps. Tu and Lei also talked a bit about NIO's mass market brand Onvo and how it'll be positioned alongside the NIO premium brand and the yet to be launched Firefly brand. The podcast ends with a discussion on not counting VW Group out just yet, although the mountain they need to climb to get back into the driver's seat in China seems insurmountable at this time. Tu also briefly discusses some of the initial quality challenges some BYD vehicles are having in the export markets, but doesn't see anything out of the ordinary or that shoud be cause for alarm just yet. BYD is new to those markets and their products will react to each of the climates differently but it's a learning process that should help them strenghthen the future quality and reliability of their global portfolio.

Episode #156 - EU leans PROTECT, Outcomes from the Two Sessions, Global Auto Heads to Brazil

Episode #156 - EU leans PROTECT, Outcomes from the Two Sessions, Global Auto Heads to Brazil

Tu and Lei start this podcast out with going over the latest news on the tariff situation on Chinese EVs in the US and EU with the EU now also seeming to lean towards increasing protectionism. Lei then moves the discussion over to the R2 launch from Rivian, the follow up to their R1 and emphasizes the affordability factor with the R2. This turns into a broader discusision about Rivian and what it will take for them to ultimately be a successful automaker. Their attention turns to the Two Sessions, the Chinese government's largest conference that sets the economic priorities for the year and has most automotive CEO's attending. Lei dives into some of the details of the policies that are being considered at the conference. The podcast closes with Tu discussing the recent investments by legacy OEMs as well as BYD & Great Wall into Brazil and South America and how their powertrains differ from the battery electric vehicle. He believes that this is one of the next big potential growth opportunities and the investment into the sector illustrates that.

Episode #155 - Lunar New Year Hangover, 电比油滴, US Govt Investigation, HiPhi for Sale

Episode #155 - Lunar New Year Hangover, 电比油滴, US Govt Investigation, HiPhi for Sale

Lei begins this podcast with a brief explanation of the effects of the Lunar New Year on passenger vehicle sales traditionally. Tu points out BYD's social media campaign about how 'electric is cheaper than gas' after they'd cut prices of their already low priced vehicles, so much so that they are cheaper than ICE vehicles from Volkswagen and some of the other foreign automakers. Lei predicts that Li Auto may be the next EV startup that emerges from the pack in 2024 as others continue to struggle with price cuts and vehicles that aren't as popular among Chinese consumers. Tu and Lei then spend a few minutes to share their opinions on the US goverment's connected vehicle investigation and let's just say that both seem skeptical. The podcast ends with a discussion on potential HiPhi partners or acquirers including a look at Changan who have been rumored to be kicking the tires recently.

Episode #154 - BYD Leading the Price cuts, When tech is too tech, Thoughts on the next couple MAX episodes

Episode #154 - BYD Leading the Price cuts, When tech is too tech, Thoughts on the next couple MAX episodes

Tu begins the podcast talking about how the price war still has legs and will likely last through the end of this year into 2025. BYD has been leading the way with price cuts on their more popular vehicles daring their competitors to do the same. Tu then talks about the Buick Electra E5 EV that has just gone on sale for ~$23K and wonders out loud why they can't sell that in the US for a similar price. The discussion shifts to the technology companies that have entered the EV competition, in particular Huawei, Xiaomi and Baidu via Jiyue. With Jiyue's sales struggles, they openly wonder what is too much technology and whether Xiaomi can come up with the 'just right' approach to stuffing their EV with tech features. They then point out how many legacy automakers have announced dialing back its EV ambitions and the challenges they still have to overcome. They focus on the German automakers and reveal that one of their next MAX guests is Daniel Kirchert, former BMW executive who also co-founded BYTON.The podcast ends with Tu hoping that there's another price cut for the Model Y in the US since it may put him over the top for buying it himself.

Episode #153 - China Opinion on NEV Trade Cooperation, Tu and Autoline Ater Hours, Ford's Skunkworks team

Episode #153 - China Opinion on NEV Trade Cooperation, Tu and Autoline Ater Hours, Ford's Skunkworks team

Tu and Lei start out the podcast by wishing each other 'Happy New Year' and discuss a bit about the holiday and their traditions and how it's celebrated by their families.Lei then moves over to discuss the Chinese Opinions on NEV trade cooperation and both of them add their opinions about how the language and roll out of the opinion piece should be interpreted. Tu then spends a few minutes discussing how the premium used passenger vehicle market has changed and is now more of a buyers market.He then talks about being a guest on Autoline and some of the topics they discussed including Chinese brands entering Mexico. Tu and Lei then transition to the news that Ford has a skunkworks team in SoCal working on a profitable small vehicle and unpack their thoughts on that.The podcast closes with news that HiPhi may be about to close its doors for good and others that have likely built their last vehicles.

Episode #152 - January Sales (CNY effects), Evergrande, Didi + CATL, the Real Export Champ

Episode #152 - January Sales (CNY effects), Evergrande, Didi + CATL, the Real Export Champ

Tu and Lei start the podcast out with some of their family traditions for Lunar New Year. They then move onto unpacking January sales numbers and emphasizing the MoM comparisons not that important due to Lunar New Year being in January last year. Tu anticipates what we should see in March and beyond depending on how panicked the OEMs will be coming out of the New Year break, likely around late February. The goal of course is to keep the metal moving at a brisk pace of course. Tu and Lei then move over to the discussion about Evergrande, the Chinese real estate development company being forced into liquidation by a Hong Kong court and how that will affect Hengchi, their EV brand. Tu then talks about the impact that could be felt from the just announced partnership between Didi and CATL. The podcast closes with a brief clarification on export numbers and who the actual leader in global exports for passenger vehicles was in 2023.

Episode #151 - Tesla 2023 Earnings, Porsche Macan EV & the BYD / DJI Collab

Episode #151 - Tesla 2023 Earnings, Porsche Macan EV & the BYD / DJI Collab

Tu and Lei begin with briefly discussing their latest MAX episode with Gansha Wu, Founder & CEO of UISEE - an autonomous driving startup based in China. Tu and Lei then transition over into a detailed discussion about Tesla’s earnings and the role that the China market plays in their earnings and operations and how most analysts miss how important the China market is to everything that Tesla does. Lei then changes gears into a discussion about the recently unveiled Porsche Macan EV that still doesn’t have pricing for the China market announced. Tu gets into the recent challenges that Porsche had in the China market and how this could really be a catalyst for the resumption of growth in the China market for Porsche, but it’s going to have stiff competition now. Tu and Lei close the show on the announcement that DJI will have, none other than BYD, as an investor and partner for their ADAS systems which should help make ADAS a common feature in mass market vehicles in China sooner rather later.

Episode #150 - China's BIG challenges, the Lotus Emeya and TuSimple Exits Stage Left

Episode #150 - China's BIG challenges, the Lotus Emeya and TuSimple Exits Stage Left

Lei throws a curveball to begin the show and talks about some of China’s societal challenges, namely the aging population and shrinking number of babies born. Tu chimes in with his experience coming to the US at a very early age. They broaden the discussion out a bit to bring in a few more noteworthy challenges to round out the discussion. Tu & Lei get into some of the discounts that were announced last week and get into the forecasted export numbers and some of the surprise automakers that could be exporting out of China in 2024.Tu points out that each year that the China market breaks sales records makes the following year even tougher to top. And the combination of a tough Chinese economy, high interest rates and the slowdown in the US & EU all point to a more challenging 2024. Tu shifts the conversation to the Lotus Emeya and what brands and products it may be going after and whether or not they should be nervous. The podcast closes on the news that TuSimple is exiting the US market and how EV related IPOs aren’t likely going to find many takers in 2024.

Episode #149 - Lei unpacks CES 2024, GM Sales in China 📉, FInal Numbers from 🇨🇳

Episode #149 - Lei unpacks CES 2024, GM Sales in China 📉, FInal Numbers from 🇨🇳

Tu and Lei dedicate this episode to the sights and sounds coming out of Las Vegas CES 2024. Lei spends the first half of this episode unpacking all that he saw and thought about the technology he experienced and the people he spoke to. Tu and Lei then go onto some of the macro sales numbers that came from China for 2023 and unpack what they all mean, including GM's slide since 2017. Tu closes out the podcast by telling Lei he's considering buying a used Tesla from Hertz now that they've put a number of them on sale.

Episode #148 - 2024 Predictions from Tu & Lei

Episode #148 - 2024 Predictions from Tu & Lei

Each year this episode is HIGHLY anticipated and is ALWAYS one of the most downloaded epsiodes of the year. If you want to hear what they think of 2024 in China and around the world for the EV, battery and mobility space, you have to listen to this episode.

Episode #147 - The Year in Review edition

Episode #147 - The Year in Review edition

Tu and Lei begin the podcast out with a look back at how Tesla ignited the price war in the beginning of 2023. They move onto a discussion about Xiaomi and CEO Lei Jun's strategy for entering the market and building up excitement for their first vehicle that's due to launch in the next year and finally making guesses on what their vehicle's price will be once announced. They move the conversation over to how difficult it is for the legacy automakers to keep up with the constant barrage of new brands, products and endless refreshes in order to not lose pace in the China market. They acknowledge that most automakers aren't able to keep up which could lead to even more challenges in the future. Tu and Lei briefly discuss making sure to follow the people that are out there getting it done and visiting the countries, trying out the vehicles and meeting with the executives. They end the podcast with their review of 2023 and a discussion about which events shaped the year.

Episode #144 - NIO Earnings, Stellantis & Ample swapping collab, Tesla Wants More Capacity at ShanghaiGiga

Episode #144 - NIO Earnings, Stellantis & Ample swapping collab, Tesla Wants More Capacity at ShanghaiGiga

Tu and Lei begin the podcast and take quite a bit of time to share their thoughts on NIO Q3 earnings and how to look at the numbers. They back out of the earnings to briefly review the announcements that NIO has made over the last several months.Tu moves out a few thousand feet to talk about the China market and some of the players in it and then the discussion quickly moves over to the Stellantis announcement regarding their partnership with Silicon Valley battery swapping startup Ample. Tu and Lei push on to a discussion about the final language for the Inflation Reduction Act that was released last Friday and how it may affect the market and the strategies of all involved in the EV space. The last two topics touched on were Tu's attendance and thoughts on the Mary Barra fireside chat and her answers relative to EVs, batteries and Cruise. He then pushes into the rumor that Tesla is ready to double capacity at ShanghaiGiga from about 1.2M to over 2M units of capacity.

Episode #143 - November sales, Huawei Inside, NIO's Newest Swapping Partner

Episode #143 - November sales, Huawei Inside, NIO's Newest Swapping Partner

Tu and Lei start out the podcast with a quick review of the November sales and a broader discussion about the difficulty of and pressure on the EV makers to grow sales in an ultra competitive environment.They both then spend a few minutes unpacking the announcement & implications of VW developing an EV platform called the China Main Platform (CMP) based on the MEB platform for the China market ONLY and how that's likely to do.Lei gets Tu's thoughts on Elon mentioning that in the future the Top 10 EV makers will be Tesla with the other 9 all being Chinese. The podcast shifts over to discussing all the latest moves by Huawei, who both agree have been very aggressively moving into the connected, EV space over the last couple years with a goal to grow revenues from this new division significantly over the next several years.The podcast ends with both discussing NIO's expanding swap partnerships in China, now including Geely.

Episode #142 - NIO & Changan Swap, Tu and Lei Go to LA for the Show (and more), China Loves EREVs

Episode #142 - NIO & Changan Swap, Tu and Lei Go to LA for the Show (and more), China Loves EREVs

This episode starts with Tu and Lei unpacking the significance of NIO partnering with SOE Changan to expand it's swapping services. After a significant deep-dive into the NIO swapping news, Tu then asks Lei about the announcement that Stellantis will use CATL to supply them batteries for the EU market. This in addition to the recent investment that Stellantis had made in Chinese EV company LeapMotor. The conversation transitions over to the US and Tu and Lei's thoughts on how the final IRA language is going to shake out and how it may affect the automakers that manufacture inside the US which is just about all of the non-Chinese legacy automakers.Tu and Lei then get into their experience in LA, both going to Faraday Future's Investor Day and then to the LA Auto show and watching the Lucid Gravity unveil. The podcast closes out with Tu and Lei discussing the popularity of extended range electric vehicles (EREVs)

Episode #141 - Single's Day EV Promotions, Q4 Mad Dash and the Zeekr IPO

Episode #141 - Single's Day EV Promotions, Q4 Mad Dash and the Zeekr IPO

Tu & Lei begin the podcast with an explanation of what Single's Day is in China and how some EV brands are participating, namely by launching promotions to help sell their vehicles. They both then begin to talk about Q4 and the mad dash by all the automotive players in the China market to finish out the sales year on a high note. Q4 alone can sometimes make or break a brand's annual sales. The podcast moves to a discussion on Li Auto's MEGA and XPeng's X9 MPVs and how they compare with one another and the both company's different approaches to market them. Polestar begins the next topic of conversation and it evolves into a broader discussion about Zeekr and Geely who owns both brands, specifically what Li Shufu is trying to get out of the spate of IPOs for his companies with the Zeekr still on the way.The podcast ends with a brief discussion about the mobile phone connection with EVs and then whether its the right time for a Chinese EV company to be IPO'ing in the US.

Episode #140 - Zeekr Track Day in the US, Lei's Chat with NIO's Ganesh Iyer, A Mad Dash to Close 2023

Episode #140 - Zeekr Track Day in the US, Lei's Chat with NIO's Ganesh Iyer, A Mad Dash to Close 2023

Tu and Lei begin this podcast by discussing the layoffs announced at NIO and how this could help them and why it was potentially overdue. Tu and Lei educate on what Single's Day in China is and how even EV brands have gotten in on promotions during the biggest digital commerce day in the world. Tu and Lei give a quick update on BYD sales for 2023 and posit that they are really the ONLY company that's continuing to grow it's already substantial sales in China and starting to build sales momentum ex-China. They both then take a few moments to talk about their experience at a Zeekr Track Day event they both attended just outside of New York City at the Monticello Motor Club. In addition to the Track Day, Lei also hosted a fireside chat with Ganesh Iyer, current US Head for NIO later in the week. He discusses a few notable things Ganesh had to say.The podcast closes out with a chat about what's expected to be a mad dash by all automakers to finish out 2023 with a sales bang.

Episode #139 - Stellantis + LeapMotor, Geely Related Events in SH / BJ, Cruise Troubles

Episode #139 - Stellantis + LeapMotor, Geely Related Events in SH / BJ, Cruise Troubles

Tu and Lei start out with the big news of the week. Stellantis acquiring a stake in Chinese EV / EREV maker - LeapMotor. Tu asks Lei to give a brief history lesson of DaimlerChrysler / FCA / Stellantis.They then both dive into the transaction, giving more background about LeapMotor and the opportunities and challenges ahead for both sides. The conversation shifts over to the events happening in Beijing / Shanghai at the time of the live show hosted by Zeekr and Jiyue, one company a Geely brand and the other, Jiyue using Geely as a contract manufacturer. Lei shifts gear to discuss the latest on the UAW negotiations with the US Three. Tu goes over what is an estimate of hourly costs for a typical UAW worker. This discussion evolves into why the US is having difficulty selling EVs vs. China. The podcast closes out with the accident by a Cruise robotaxi in SF that injured a bystander.

Episode #138 - Euro Legacies Still Love China, Li Auto MEGA and Graphite Restrictions

Episode #138 - Euro Legacies Still Love China, Li Auto MEGA and Graphite Restrictions

Tu starts with a brief update and discussion with Lei on Tesla in China and the overall slowdown in the EV space around the world. The conversation quickly moves to Bill Ford's comment about Chinese EVs 'coming to our shores' and a brief discussion on Ford's recent moves. Tu and Lei move onto discussing European brands Citroën, Peugeot and Mini and how they continue to be built in China and in Mini's case, will be built in China and exported to the rest of the world. Tu then asks Lei if he likes the recently unveiled Li Auto Mega MPV. They spend a few moments discussing the vehicle's merits. The podcast ends with Tu and Lei giving an update about the Chinese government restricting graphite for export.

Episode #137 - Li Auto's Ambitious Plans, Porsche's Woes in China, Tu's Bay Area Adventure

Episode #137 - Li Auto's Ambitious Plans, Porsche's Woes in China, Tu's Bay Area Adventure

The pod starts with a brief update on the UAW & US Three situation but moves quickly over to a brief disussion about Li Auto's openly stated and ambitious goals of selling 3M vehicles in China by 2028. Tu then pushes the chat to Porsche and the struggles they may beginning to see in the China market, a market they've only seen growth in since entering in 2001. Tu and Lei move the discussion over to Great Wall Motor's Haomo.ai announcing a very inexpensive ADAS system that starts at less than ¥10K and how LiDAR and overall sensor pricing for ADAS systems will quickly move into commodity territory as Chinese providers continue to try to compete on price. Tu brings up how GM has offered to unionize its US battery facilities as a carrot in the ongoing UAW negotiations and they both talk about how the LG & BYD partnership could be used to skirt the Inflation Reduction Act restrictions. The podcast ends with Tu talking about his trip to SF and and both of them talking about WM's bankruptcy filing.