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Deogratius Okello, Josephine Olok and Angella Nabbanja
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Dec 13 2024
TCW Episode 51: Just Graduated
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Dec 13 2024
TCW Episode 51: Just Graduated
Show notes Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Dec 9 2024
TCW EPISODE 50: What a ride
Last week we had a Live show with Ronald Mugisha, and we felt it right to share the audio of the episode. Thank you for 50 Episodes. Follow Ronald https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronald-mugisha-a8a988143 https://x.com/R24M Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Nov 23 2024
TCW Episode 49: Mudathir Sec+, Net+, A+ all in 5 months
Show Notes Follow Mudathir https://www.linkedin.com/in/mudathir-abdulbareu-273983232 Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Nov 14 2024
TCW Episode 48: Security Review
Show Notes Zip files https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-now-use-zip-file-concatenation-to-evade-detection/ Remcos RAT https://thehackernews.com/2024/11/cybercriminals-use-excel-exploit-to.html Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Nov 8 2024
TCW Episode 47: Brian's Way
Show Notes Follow Brian Mwine https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianmwinerutebemberwa Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-dan iel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Nov 1 2024
TCW Episode 46: Book Review
Show Notes Make your bed https://www.amazon.com/Make-Your-Bed-Little-Things/dp/1455570249 Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Oct 25 2024
TCW Episode 45: Security Review
Show Notes CISO money security perspective https://www.darkreading.com/cloud-security/cisos-throwing-cash-tools-detect-breaches Microsoft’s honey pot https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-creates-fake-azure-tenants-to-pull-phishers-into-honeypots/ Generative AI in SOC https://www.esentire.com/blog/how-generative-ai-can-be-used-to-enable-better-security-outcomes Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Oct 18 2024
TCW Episode 44: Fraud language
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Oct 11 2024
TCW Episode 43: Steven’s KPI’s
Show notes Online training with INE https://ine.com/ Online training with Hack the Box https://www.hackthebox.com/ Book recommendation Scaling People Tactics Management https://www.amazon.com/Scaling-People-Tactics-Management-Building/dp/1953953212 Hooked how to build Habit forming Products https://www.amazon.com/Hooked-How-Build-Habit-Forming-Products/dp/1591847788 No rules netflix culture reinvention https://www.amazon.com/No-Rules-Netflix-Culture-Reinvention/dp/1984877860 Follow Steven Mwesige https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-mwesige/ Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_
Oct 4 2024
TCW Episode 42: Security Review
Kia hack https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/millions-kia-vehicles-remote-hacks-license-plate Bluehat https://msrc.microsoft.com/blog/2024/08/announcing-bluehat-2024-call-for-papers-now-open/ Windows hot patching https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-server-2025-hotpatching-in-public-preview-installs-security-updates-without-restarts/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/hotpatch Knowbe4 security awareness training https://www.knowbe4.com/ Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/
Sep 27 2024
TCW Episode 41: Reminisce ISACA
In this week's episode we talk about the ISACA conference and what we found unique this year. Show Notes Fitspa conference registration https://fitspa.ug/2024/annual-conference Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/ Chapters Intro 00:00 How did you prepare 01:04 Who were you marketing to 02:24 Which guest stood out for you 04:49 Are you required to notify 08:21 Sessions that stood out 10:34 Tell us about George 14:31 Second moderation with Sanjeev 16:07 Who stood out for you 20:59 What stood out for you 25:55 Parting shots for ISACA 27:41 Final parting shots 30:42
Sep 12 2024
TCW Episode 40: Samari the ISACA communication's director
In this week's episode, we bring on Samari Kakibale the ISACA Kampala Chapter's communications Director. Show notes ISACA Kampala Chapter conference registration https://eainfosec.org/ ISACA Website https://www.isaca.org/ Which ISACA Certificate is right for you? https://www.isaca.org/resources/infographics/which-isaca-certification-is-right-for-you https://www.isaca.org/-/media/files/isacadp/project/isaca/resources/infographics/right-for-you-chart-june2023.pdf Samari Kakibale LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/samari-kakibale-162b6b26/ ISACA Kampala Chapter LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/isaca-kampala-chapter/ ISACA Kampala Chapter X https://x.com/ISACAKampala Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Follow our Producer and Editor Daniel Ngobi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngobi-daniel-mwebaza-b520b714a/ Chapters Intro and profile 00:00 Tell us about yourself 01:39 Passing CISA 05:47 What does your role at ISACA entail 06:59 What does your normal day look like 11:07 Unique benefits of ISACA and Courses 17:17 Role at the Chapter 26:38 Expectations for the ISACA event 29:32 Why Invest in chapter events 39:32 Parting s hots 42:00
Sep 5 2024
TCW Episode 39: Bernard Wanyama the IPP of ISACA
Show notes ISACA Kampala Chapter conference registration https://eainfosec.org/ ISACA Website https://www.isaca.org/ Which ISACA Certificate is right for you? https://www.isaca.org/resources/infographics/which-isaca-certification-is-right-for-you https://www.isaca.org/-/media/files/isacadp/project/isaca/resources/infographics/right-for-you-chart-june2023.pdf Bernard Wanyama’a LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernard-wanyama Bernard Wanyama's X https://x.com/bmwanyama ISACA Kampala Chapter LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/isaca-kampala-chapter/ ISACA Kampala Chapter X https://x.com/ISACAKampala Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_
Aug 21 2024
TCW Episode 38: Maurice the ISACA Kampala Chapter President
In this week's episode we bring on Maurice the ISACA Kampala Chapter President, who shares the benefits of the chapter. Show notes ISACA Kampala Chapter conference registration https://eainfosec.org/ ISACA Website https://www.isaca.org/ Which ISACA Certificate is right for you? https://www.isaca.org/resources/infographics/which-isaca-certification-is-right-for-you https://www.isaca.org/-/media/files/isacadp/project/isaca/resources/infographics/right-for-you-chart-june2023.pdf Maurice Taremwa LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/mauricetaremwa ISACA Kampala Chapter LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/isaca-kampala-chapter/ ISACA Kampala Chapter X https://x.com/ISACAKampala Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Timestamps Intro 00:00 profile 01:17 Tell us about yourself 02:37 What does internal audit entail 05:25 Role at ISACA 09:01 How you became president 11:21 ISACA reach to Students 17:22 Benefits if the chapter 21:48 Investing in attending chapter events 25:17 Discounts for certificates 33:19 Parting Shots 36:27
Jul 28 2024
TCW Episode 37: Solomon a Platform Engineer
Solomon is a cybersecurity platform engineer with years in cybersecurity, In this episode, he breaks down what it means to be in cybersecurity and working in different countries among others. Solomon Ruzima LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/solomon-ruzima Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Chapters Intro 00:00 Tell us about yourself 01:51 Your role entails 10:26 How the Master's Degree in cyber help 13:31 Protection against Vulnerability 17:30 Vulnerability Vs Penetration testing 26:23 Cloud shared responsibility model 33:06 Third-party tools and API vulnerabilities 44:15 Best practice for cyber 56:41 Working in Uganda Vs USA 01:04:26 Parting shots 01:11:24
Jul 20 2024
TCW Episode 36: Security Review
In this week's episode, we review some of the cybersecurity news that stood out. Show notes Euro 2024 Attack https://www.darkreading.com/cloud-security/euro-2024-becomes-latest-sporting-event-to-attract-cyberattacks Operation DISTANTHILL https://www.group-ib.com/media-center/press-releases/operation-distanthill/ U.S Election attack https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/email-and-cloud-threats/election-2024-mobile-political-spam-volume-jumps-3x-compared-2022 Suggestions Deo’s recommendation https://tryhackme.com/r/pricing Angella recommendation https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68079726.amp Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Timestamps Intro 00:00 EURO’s 02:14 Attack on EURO 2024 05:48 Other attacks of sports events 09:36 Operation DISTANTHILL 13:26 Scale of attack 14:52 Luring victims 16:15 Growth of misinformation 18:46 Attacks ongoing 24:07 Other ways of avoiding attacks 29:20 Recommendations 31:01
Jul 12 2024
TCW Episode 35: 30 years this March
In this week's episode, we look at Josephine's book. Her book is a collection of multiple poems. Please like, Subscribe and leave a comment 30 years this March https://www.amazon.co.uk/Years-This-March-Josephine-Olok-ebook/dp/B09J5H5XK7 Timestamps Intro 00:00 Tell us about yourself 01:12 What inspired the book 03:29 Don't see myself as a Writer 04:50 Cover page and author picture 06:52 Challenges in completing the book 11:03 The volcano 13:34 Peace 20:50 The Ex lover 27:48 Mummy 30:30 30 years this year 38:00 Poems you enjoyed 42:24 Publish more books 47:53 Our favourite poems 51:04 Show notes Still I rise https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46446/still-i-rise Year of Yes https://www.amazon.com/Year-Yes-Dance-Stand-Person/dp/1476777128 Mom&Me&Mom https://www.amazon.com/Mom-Me-Maya-Angelou/dp/1400066115 Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_
Jul 5 2024
TCW Episode 34: Julius part 2
Show notes In this week's episode, we complete the conversation we had last week with Julius Cyber talents https://cybertalents.com/ Africa digital forensics challenge CTF unodc https://www.unodc.org/westandcentralafrica/en/westandcentralafrica/stories/2022/ctf-competition-2023.html Hack the box CTF https://www.hackthebox.com/ Oxygen forensics CTF https://oxygenforensics.com/en/resources/events-cat/capture-the-flag/ Belkasoft CTF https://belkasoft.com/ctf Julius Wakooli LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/julius-wakooli-94737472/ Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Timestamps Intro 00:00 Human trafficking 00:30 Biggest trends in cybercrime 13:50 Analyze malicious traffic 19:32 Solutions to cybercrime 21:27 Password security 26:49 Staying current 32:10 CTF(Capture the Flag) 43:27 Skills and qualities in forensics 48:20 Parting shots 55:39 Tools to start digital forensics 1:01:58
Jun 28 2024
TCW Episode 33: Julius in Forensics
On this week's episode, we bring an incredible digital forensics expert. Show notes Julius Wakooli LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/julius-wakooli-94737472/ Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Chapters Intro and profile 00:00 Beginning cyber 01:00 What inspired cyber 03:51 Police training 07:36 Role activities 08:42 Process of investigation 10:50 Challenges with digital evidence 24:01 Solutions 38:01 Evidence tamper red flags 42:20
Jun 20 2024
TCW Episode 32: June 2024 Security Review
In this week's episode we go through some attacks that have happened this month plus patch tuesday. Show notes Ticket Masters attacked by snowflake https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw99ql0239wo.amp https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-30/ticketmaster-data-breach-how-to-check-if-you-have-been-hacked/103912494 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ticketmaster-confirms-massive-breach-after-stolen-data-for-sale-online/ Patch Tuesday https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-june-2024-patch-tuesday-fixes-51-flaws-18-rces/ Visual Studio extension https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/malicious-vscode-extensions-with-millions-of-installs-discovered/ Anycubic printers attack https://www-bleepingcomputer-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/anycubic-3d-printers-hacked-worldwide-to-expose-security-flaw/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17182638609655&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bleepingcomputer.com%2Fnews%2Fsecurity%2Fanycubic-3d-printers-hacked-worldwide-to-expose-security-flaw%2F Blood Donation ransomware https://therecord.media/london-hospitals-ransomware-urgent-call-blood-donations-otype https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/london-hospitals-face-blood-shortage-after-synnovis-ransomware-attack/ Suggestions Josephine’s recommendation https://africafintechfestival.org/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ACa6P-3NLU Deogratius’s recommendation https://youtu.be/csubiPlvFWk?si=CJmzOP7i_9M3tzWf https://www.amazon.com/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593655036 Like and Follow our LinkedIn page https://www.linkedin.com/company/thecyberweekly Like and Follow our X page https://twitter.com/thecyberweekly Follow Deogratius Okello https://www.linkedin.com/in/deo-okello/ https://twitter.com/deookello51 Follow Josephine Olok https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephine-olok/ https://twitter.com/josephine_olok Follow Angella Nabbanja https://www.linkedin.com/in/angella-nabbanja-4b6361178/ https://x.com/angellamukasa_ Chapters Intro 00:00 Ticketmasters 01:47 Shinyhunters 02:43 Threats from merging companies 04:43 Why attack Ticketmasters 07:45 Patch Tuesday key findings 10:22 Visual studio code’s Dracula 13:27 Other attacks(any cubic) 17:50 Who are the NHS 19:40 Attack on NHS 22:04 NHS handling attack 27:06 Josephine’s recommendations 29:46 Angella's recommendation 32:10 Deo’s recommendation 33:35