In this conversation, Elizabeth Good and Vanessa Morris discuss the importance of reframing the conversation around church leaders falling and the collateral damage that comes with it.

They emphasize the need to understand the progression and grooming that leads to abuse, and the importance of getting upstream to prevent it. They also discuss the power of confession and normalizing the conversation around secrets and shame.

They highlight the significance of language and how it can either bring healing or harm. The conversation concludes with a focus on empowering children with tools to protect themselves and creating a safe space for open dialogue.

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