In this episode, Elizabeth Good and Vanessa Morris discuss the recent scandal involving Robert Morris, the founder of Gateway Church. They express their sadness and frustration with the patterns of fallen leaders in the global and American church. They emphasize that this episode is not meant to be a bashing session, but rather a time for prayer, healing, and understanding.

They discuss the importance of addressing the root causes of abuse and the need to normalize conversations about it. They share stories of survivors and perpetrators to highlight the complex dynamics at play. They also touch on the topics of grooming, shame, and the importance of coping strategies and prevention.

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