RECORDED IN OCTOBER OF 2020 and in partnership with the church I serve, First Presbyterian Church of Palo Alto, I sat down with Abby Pugh (My daughter and student activist) and then Judge-Elect, Michelle Tong. We talk about policing, abolition, politics, and a little bit about Bruce's high school days.

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