The Search For Growth

The Search For Growth

Welcome to The Search For Growth. A podcast for growth-mindset entrepreneurs looking to improve 1% each day. Each week an American and a Brit get together to unpack the biggest topics from the start-up world, interview founders, and share frameworks & principles to help you grow. Chris Gibson is the Founder of Wavelength, a bootstrapped start-up, and Alfie Marsh is the Head of US Go-To-Market at Spendesk, a venture backed unicorn. As an engineer and a sales guy, we have two different perspectives on life. But we are united by one common goal. The Search For Growth. read less

#19 Steve Richard SVP @Mediafly, Founder @Vorsight and ExecVision | Building two businesses at once | Service businesses vs software businesses
Mar 11 2023
#19 Steve Richard SVP @Mediafly, Founder @Vorsight and ExecVision | Building two businesses at once | Service businesses vs software businesses
On today’s episode, we are joined by an incredible sales leader, entrepreneur, and keynote speaker with over two decades of experience in the field. After starting his career in sales, he went on to found the highly successful sales training and coaching firm, Vorsight, in 2005. But that's not all - he also had the vision to build one of the first conversational intelligence platforms, making him an early competitor to the likes of Gong and Chorus. Later, he sold ExecVision to Mediafly and now serves as the SVP of Sales Excellence. In today's episode, we dive deep into his journey from employee to self-employed sales trainer, and the transition into running a successful service business that later became a software company. We cover everything from the life of a solopreneur to competing with the biggest names in the game and lessons learned from being acquired. (02:14) Starting an appointment-setting business (05:22) Idea behind conversational intelligence business  (09:42) Getting customers (12:01) Value of creating a training business - scaling your time (15:12) First hires, the first office (18:51) Pricing, revenue per month, margins (19:56) Building your own business with significant profitability (22:21) Building a curriculum (27:02) Why there is more to building a business than an exit (28:20) Building ExecVision and learnings from Vorsight (30:54) Value of a technical cofounder (34:18) Building two businesses at once (43:06) Splitting responsibilities with another cofounder (43:44) Process of acquisition (46:12) Learnings after acquisition - being so focused on product (51:51) Should salespeople build a software business or a service business (54:16) Don't be a destination island (55:13) Rapid-fire questions Steve Richard's LinkedIn Mastering the Rockefeller Habits Catcher in the Rye The Search For Growth Podcast Alfie Marsh B2B Go-To-Market Advisory Alfie Marsh's Newsletter "Rocket GTM" Chris Gibson's Newsletter "Content I Consumed" Alfie's LinkedIn Chris' LinkedIn
#17 Magician Kevin Blake | The Business of Magic | Performing on National TV for America's Got Talent and Penn and Teller
Feb 24 2023
#17 Magician Kevin Blake | The Business of Magic | Performing on National TV for America's Got Talent and Penn and Teller
Kevin Blake is one of the top entertainers in the country. He’s a San Francisco Bay Area magician and mentalist who has been featured on America’s Got Talent and Penn and Teller’s Fool Us. You can watch him at his weekly show, the Illusionist at the Palace Theater (in San Francisco), or at his in-person and virtual corporate events. In addition to magic, he’s a big swimmer and has competed in the US Olympic Team trials twice in the 50 freestyle. In this episode, we discuss how Kevin got into magic, the business dynamics of magic, what it was like to perform on national tv, and his current performances. (00:44) Getting into magic (06:31) Ethical frameworks for mentalism (08:27) First time getting paid to do magic (09:34) Doing magic as a side-gig (11:49) Moving into magic full-time during COVID (16:43) How to get audience feedback to improve (17:15) Magician pricing and distribution strategies (19:01) Impact of VC on distribution (20:44) His ideal customer profile and personal brand (24:33) Magician competition (26:17) Where magicians make money (30:41) Where magicians buy tricks (35:10) How magicians spend their time (37:55) Are magicians lonely? (39:17) Going on America's Got Talent and Penn and Teller's Fool Us (47:44) Kevin's show the Illusionist at the Palace Theater in SF (49:26) Relationship with theater and producers in regard to distribution (52:54) Rapid fire - favorite books, advice that is incorrect in magic (56:36) Where to find Kevin Book Kevin for Corporate Events The Illusionist at the Palace Theater in SF  Favorite Books Absolute Magic by Derren Brown Titus Groan by Mervyn Peake The Search For Growth Podcast Alfie Marsh B2B Go-To-Market Advisory Alfie Marsh's Newsletter "Rocket GTM" Chris Gibson's Newsletter "Content I Consumed" Alfie's LinkedIn Chris' LinkedIn
#15 Jamie Shanks CEO @PipelineSignals | Using relationship signals in sales | Why the first 100 days is key to closing | Your CRM is an iceberg
Feb 10 2023
#15 Jamie Shanks CEO @PipelineSignals | Using relationship signals in sales | Why the first 100 days is key to closing | Your CRM is an iceberg
(00:55) First business in Toronto (03:12) Building a zero-emissions landscaping business (06:35) Value of door-to-door sales experience (08:32) Prospecting with LinkedIn, selling to CRO of Shopify (10:41) Using the Sphere of Influence in sales (14:05) Why the first 100 days of a new hire is so valuable in sales (18:05) Think of your CRM as an iceberg (22:51) The biggest problem in sales quota attainment (27:21) How relationship signals can give you insight into your customer success strategy (33:12) Top recommendations for SDRs (36:46) How to spot job changes, where Pipeline Signals gets its data (40:31) How data is insufficient. You need sales enablement to get the full value of relationship signals (43:22) Value of outsourced labor. Building multiple businesses at once (50:13) Why picking a lane in your career is important (52:54) Rapid fire questions - favorite books and advice that is wrong Jamie Shanks’ LinkedIn Pipeline Signals Sales for Life Get Levrg Books Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption Buy Back Your Time: Get Unstuck, Reclaim Your Freedom, and Build Your Empire Social Selling Mastery: Scaling Up Your Sales and Marketing Machine for the Digital Buyer SPEAR Selling: The ultimate Account-Based Sales guide for the modern digital sales professional The Search For Growth Podcast Alfie Marsh B2B Go-To-Market Advisory Alfie Marsh's Newsletter "Rocket GTM" Chris Gibson's Newsletter "Content I Consumed" Alfie's LinkedIn Chris' LinkedIn
#6 Storybrand: The 7 step framework to strategic storytelling by Donald Miller
Nov 29 2022
#6 Storybrand: The 7 step framework to strategic storytelling by Donald Miller
(00:00) Intro  (01:40) Feedback from listeners (03:55) Best books on storytelling for entrepreneurs  (05:20) Chris' company Wavelength (06:40) Storytelling basics (09:10) The 7 part framework summary (11:00) How to use the framework in your own story (13:10) The Hero has a problem (22:55) Everyone needs a villain (26:50) The Hero vs The Guide: How Jay-Z messed this up with Tidal (30:55) Guide offers a plan (40:00) Demonstrate the consequences of failure: Superbowl Ad example (46:00) The promised land  (47:35) Our newsletters In todays episode we discuss seven key takeaways from the book Storybrand and how you can build a strategic narrative for your startup. The framework we’ll be discussing is as follows: A Herohas a problemwho meets a guideand gives them a planwhich compels them to actand helps them avoid failurewhich ends in success Resources discussed (Storybrand) https://www.amazon.com/Building-StoryBrand-Clarify-Message-Customers/dp/0718033329/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=IRR035L975GP&keywords=storybrand+donald+miller&qid=1669675221&sprefix=storybrand%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFRU09BMkwxM0NGTUwmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3MTkyMTU4SEpMR1Y5U0M0V1ImZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDA5MzQ1OTJKRkc4MTY4TVo5S0Imd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl (Crossing the Chasm) https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Chasm-3rd-Disruptive-Mainstream/dp/0062292986/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=crossing+the+chasm&qid=1669675152&sr=8-1 (Traction) https://www.amazon.com/Traction-Startup-Guide-Getting-Customers/dp/0976339609/ref=sr_1_4?crid=21BEYZOZ9B04K&keywords=traction&qid=1669675180&sprefix=traction%2Caps%2C220&sr=8-4&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.08f69ac3-fd3d-4b88-bca2-8997e41410bb (Alfie's Newsletter)  https://alfiemarsh212.substack.com/ (Chris' Newsletter) https://chrisgibson.substack.com/
#5 Tech layoffs - why they are happening and why joining a startup now could make you rich
Nov 19 2022
#5 Tech layoffs - why they are happening and why joining a startup now could make you rich
In today's episode we discuss tech layoffs: (01:33) Layoffs.fyi database on who's laying people off (02:50) Why tech layoffs are happening - inflation, interest rates, covid, war  (06:00) Interest rates impact on investors  (07:00) Net Present Value of future cash flows (08:00) Powerball lottery example (10:25) How tech startups dealt with the changing landscape (11:20) Extending runway (13:00) Good & bad examples of layoffs (14:15) Stripe's memo on laying off staff (16:13) Should CEOs have been able to predict the market and prevent over hiring (20:40) The financial decision behind joining a startup (23:00) How joining a startup now could make you rich (24:15) Is Elon the new Steve Jobs (27:30) Impact of layoffs for H1-B visa holders (30:35) Tips for finding a new job Alfie Marsh - Head of US Go-To-Market at Spendesk (LinkedIn) https://www.linkedin.com/in/alfie-marsh-0a435a69/ (Newsletter) http://www.rocketgtm.co/ Chris Gibson - Founder of Wavelength (LinkedIn) https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisgibson14/ (Twitter) https://twitter.com/chggib (Newsletter) https://chrisgibson.substack.com/ The Search For Growth website www.thesearchforgrowth.com Episode links discussed https://layoffs.fyi/ (Stripe's memo on layoffs) https://stripe.com/newsroom/news/ceo-patrick-collisons-email-to-stripe-employees (Openview's 2022 Benchmark Report) https://openviewpartners.com/2022-saas-benchmarks-report/ (Techcrunch article for H1-B visa holders) https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/11/answers-for-h-1b-workers-whove-been-laid-off-or-think-they-might-be/
#4 Interview w/ Evan Gelfand, the Founder of Super F**king Simple
Nov 8 2022
#4 Interview w/ Evan Gelfand, the Founder of Super F**king Simple
In today's episode, we interview Evan Gelfand. Evan’s LinkedIn Super F**king Simple event page This election's proposition guide Evan Gelfand is the founder of Super F**king Simple, an organization that simplifies civic engagement by hosting events to discuss contentious topics.  He started it in 2018 as a nonpartisan way for voters to make sense of city and statewide ballots. On October 25th, they had their Super F*cking Simple ballot event at Manny's, a community and learning cafe in the Mission in San Francisco. In addition to building Super F**king Simple, Evan is the Head of Experience at Mystery, an employee engagement platform that builds connection through curated virtual experiences. Previously, he was a Chief of Staff within YouTube. On this episode we talk about: How ballot propositions workWhy voting on ballot propositions is importantThe only way to change the outcome of a propositionSimplifying complex and contentious propositionsThe challenge with ballot guidesWhat Evan learned over the last four years of organizing the eventThe importance of non-partisan conversationsHow Super F**king Simple could be used as a safe place to discuss other contentious topics like climate changeHow influencers are leveraged to encourage people to voteUnderstanding financial incentives behind politicsEvan’s favorite books and other quick-fire questions Links & resources discussed on the pod The Search For Growth Receive short video clips and summaries for each episode via our newsletter hereFor everything else, check out our website Alfie Marsh: Head of US Go-To-Market at Spendesk Alfie’s newsletter Rocket GTM 🚀Alfie’s LinkedIn Chris Gibson: Founder of Wavelength Chris’ newsletter Content I ConsumedChris’ LinkedIn
#3 Seven takeaways from "The Psychology of Money" by Morgan Housel
Oct 30 2022
#3 Seven takeaways from "The Psychology of Money" by Morgan Housel
The Search For Growth is brought to you by: Alfie Marsh (Head of US Go-To-Market at Spendesk and founder of Rocket GTM newsletter)Chris Gibson (Founder of Wavelength) Like short video snippets with the key points? Sign up to our newsletter. For everything else go to our website. ———————————————————— In todays episode we discuss Morgan Housel’s book “The Psychology of Money: Timeless lessons on wealth, greed, and happiness” Feedback from listeners about our last episodeWhy we chose the name “The Search For Growth”Why Chris loved this bookSummary of key takeaways (see details below)Announcements ———————————————————— Summary of key takeaways: 1. No one’s crazy People who make financial decisions based on their own personal context, it may relevant to them, but it may not be relevant to you. Chris & Alfie give examples of how they and their wives handle money differently. VCs investment during a 0% rate environment compared to normal times. 2. Compounding is important $81.5bn of Warren Buffet’s wealth came after his 65 birthday. Impressive things are achieved through compounding small habits over long periods of time. 1% improvements over step function growth. 3. Be financially unbreakable Making good investments is not about good decisions, it's about consistently not screwing up. Be financially unbreakable. Stick around long enough to make wonders happen. Planning is important but assume things won’t go to plan. How VC firms are set up asymmetrically for success and default unbreakable. De-risking the downside. 4. Power Law You can be wrong a lot of the time and still make a fortune. 65% of companies within a fund lost money, 2.5% made 10-20x, 1% made 20x, and 0.5% made >20x. Therefore, you can lose a lot, but still come out on top. Optimize for exposure to opportunity. Meeting one person can change your life, optimize for the long term exposure not short term. 5. Freedom Controlling your time is the highest dividend money can pay. Tim Ferris’ “4 Hour Work Week”. The highest form of wealth is being able to choose how you spend your time. The problem with the story about the rich banker and the fisherman. The hedonic treadmill problem. Trades off between bootstrapping vs venture backed startups. 6. Reasonable over rational decisions Better to be mostly reasonable than coldly rational. Being reasonable doesn’t always mean rational, example choosing stocks you enjoy following may not be the best financial decision but it’ll keep you in the game long enough to learn how to execute a good strategy. 7. Beware of taking financial cues from people playing a different game  Example, momentum traders trading the tech stock boom. The danger of advice without context. Searching for context not advice. ———————————————————— Links & resources discussed on the pod. Our website - The Search For GrowthAlfie’s newsletter - Rocket GTM 🚀The Woof Gang Shop - Bow ties for dogs