Our Strange Skies: UFOs Throughout History

Rob Kristoffersen

Our Strange Skies explores the nooks and crannies of UFO history and lore, diving deep into UFO sightings, alien abductions, cryptids, and all things paranormal. Hosted by UFO expert Rob Kristoffersen and a variety of special guests. read less

135: What If Under Water Aliens Stole Some Elk?
Jan 9 2023
135: What If Under Water Aliens Stole Some Elk?
On this weeks episode, OSS teams up with the What If? Podcast to review David Paulides' new documentary, Missing 411: The UFO Connection. Together we dive into David Paulides' sketchy past as a cop, we postulate where the actual UFO connections are, and just why do aliens care about wasting disease in elk populations? References:  S.J. OFFICER ACCUSED OF FALSE SOLICITATION AUTOGRAPHS Assault Suspect Says S.J. Police Beat Him Bay Area Reporter, 4/28/83 Ray Salmen: Family of B.C. drowning victim turns to recovery team from Idaho for help Man declared missing after campsite found abandoned Idaho couple hired to find missing Kitsilano man DeOrr Kunz:  Kunz investigator: Jessica Mitchell knows where DeOrr’s body is Private investigator issues lengthy report on DeOrr Kunz case Carl Higdon:  Our Strange Skies Ep. #85 Alien Abduction of The Wyoming Hunter Charles Gustafson: Beltrami man missing after hunting trip Mark Strittmatter:  Remains of Elk Hunter Missing Since 2019 Recovered in Wyoming Reinhard Kirchner:  Missing Person / NamUs #MP35447 EXPERIENCED HIKER GOES MISSING IN REMOTE SECTION OF NAVAJO WILDERNESS Hypnotic recall:  Scientific Status of Refreshing Recollection by the Use of Hypnosis Hypnosis and memory retrieval Hypnosis, Delayed Recall, and the Principles of Memory The use of hypnosis to enhance recall Other:  German-Americans make up the largest self-reported ancestry group within the United States A list of Missing 411 deconstructions  Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
134: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 6: Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs and the Shaping of a Phenomenon
Jan 2 2023
134: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 6: Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs and the Shaping of a Phenomenon
CW: Sexual abuse When it comes to the alien abduction phenomenon, no two figures have played a greater roll in its shaping than Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs. And shaping, I think, is the perfect word, because, as we’ve covered on this series, before this point, abductions were very different animals. It was through Hopkins that it became an intergenerational phenomenon, that its captors all looked the same with slight variations, and that those captors were lying, deceiving assholes with an agenda that could be gleaned through hypnosis. Alien-human hybrids dominated the field because of Budd Hopkins. In short, the phenomenon that you know as alien abductions is the product of Budd Hopkins’ research, and the proliferation of that research from other figures, like David Jacobs. In an interview with Ed Conroy, for his book Report on Communion, Whitley Strieber had this to say about Hopkins and Jacobs: "'He and Jacobs are censoring the experiences of people with visitor experiences in order to fit them into a theory they have about extraterrestrials,' Strieber told me in a December 1988 interview. 'If some of the experiences in people's lives don't fit with their theories, they just exclude them. In my books, I have maintained an account of the experiences which is very close to how strange and bizarre they really are. That is why my books have gotten such a tremendous response, while Intruders was a failure.'" On this episode I dive into the work of these two figures, and expose the flaws and abuses that is contained within. Sources: Missing Time: A Documented Study of UFO Abductions by Budd Hopkins Intruders: The Incredible Visitations at Copley Woods by Budd Hopkins Budd Hopkins and Debbie Kauble on Dini Petty’s Talk Show Secret Life: Firsthand, Documented Accounts of UFO Abductions by David Jacobs The Threat: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda by David Jacobs The Greys Have Been Framed by Jack Brewer “Co-creation of the ‘alien abduction phenomenon’” by Carol Rainey, Paratopia vol.1, n°1 Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
132: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 0: Paleo-Abductions
Dec 19 2022
132: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 0: Paleo-Abductions
In our first installment of our History of Abductions series, I put forth the premise that abductions weren't in print before 1957... welp, that's not entirely true. On this episode I dive into the origins of the phenomenon with fae encounters from Celtic lore, and the stories of the chaneques, gnomes, from Mexico. I also dive into the classic stories of paleo-abduction, including James Everell's luminous swine, the attempted abduction of Col. H.G. Shaw, and the strange disappearance Karl Hunrath and Wilbur J. Wilkinson. Sources: “Fairyland’s Hunters: Notes Towards a Revisionist History of Abductions. Part One” by Peter Rogerson, Magonia 46, June 1993 The Georgia Stalks Case The Preacher Who Believed That Flying Saucers Were Kidnapping Human Beings - in 1953” by Tony Breeden Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times by Chris Aubeck & Jacques Vallee “UFOs and Parapsychology” by H.S.W. Chibbett, Flying Saucer Review Special Issue N 3 1969 New Lands by Charles Fort “Two Men Who Went Missing Looking for a UFO” Bizarre and Grotesque True Alien Encounters: A History of Alien Abductions, UFO Sightings & Beyond by Ryan Stablie & Steven Matthews UFO Abductions: The Measure of a Mystery, Vol. 1 by Thomas E. Bullard “Chaneques, Mexican Gnomes or Interplanetary Visitors” by Ramon A. Pantoja Lopez & Robert Freeman Bound, FATE Magazine, November 1974 Colonel H.G. Shaw’s Alien Encounter J.P. Valby Kidnapping, Pg 1 & Pg 2 Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
130: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 4: Obscure 70s Abductions with Cole Herrold
Dec 5 2022
130: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 4: Obscure 70s Abductions with Cole Herrold
Abductions in the 1970s are characterized by cases that gained a level of popularity on their individual merits. The Pascagoula Abduction for instance was a media sensation that occurred during a very prominent UFO/humanoid flap. It’s also the first year that a handful of abduction cases were reported. Interestingly, they all occurred within 10 days of each other. In 1974, The Carl Higdon abduction captured the attention of national headlines, and one year later, the Travis Walton case captured widespread press attention, primarily because it was a missing person’s/murder case before it became an alien abduction. In 1975, 25 abduction cases were reported, setting a new record for the most reported in a year. Aside from the publicity of the Walton case, it’s believed that the premiere of The UFO Incident, starring James Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons, depicting the abduction of Betty Barney brought forth many experiencers, including Patty Roach, who experienced an abduction with her family in 1973. The abduction experiences of Brian Scott became known due to the film's release as well. Other abduction cases would come to the forefront in the 70s, such as the cases of Lee Parish, and the Stanford Three. All of these cases that I have mentioned we have covered on the podcast before, so it only makes sense to bring the most obscure cases to the table. Researcher Cole Herrold (New World Explorers Society) joins me discuss some of the strangest cases you've never heard before. Sources: 1976 HUMCAT Entry #1860 “Idaho Abduction Case,” The APRO Bulletin, V 26, N. 5, November, 1977 “Êtres Étranges: A Almonaster La Real (Huelva) Espagne” by Ignacio Darnaude, Lumieres Dans La Nuit No. 174 April 1978 “Antonio’s Ordeal” by Irene Granchi, Canadian UFO Report, Vol. 4, No. 7, Summer, 1978 Humanoid Encounters 1970-1974 by Albert Rosales Australian UFOs: Through the Window of Time by Rex Gilroy Rex and Heather’s Australian UFO’s. Mysterious Australia APRO Bulletin Vol. 28, #10 Canadian UFO Report Volume 4 #4 Missing Time by Budd Hopkins The Road to Strange: UFOs, Aliens, and High Strangeness by Michael Brein and Rosemary Ellen Guiley UFO Abductions: A Dangerous Game by Philip J. Klass UFO Verdict: Examining the Evidence by Robert Schaeffer UFOs and Alien Contact: Two Centuries of Mystery by Robert Bartholomew and George S. Haven "Woman Will Tell Of Kidnapping by UFO, aliens" by Royal Calkins, The Fresno Bee, November 3, 1979 Daily Collegian, Fresno, California- November 6, 1979 Judy Kendall Case on Archive.org Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
126: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 1: 1957-1969 with Rich Hatem
Nov 7 2022
126: The History of Alien Abductions, Part 1: 1957-1969 with Rich Hatem
This episode marks the beginning of a L O N G series about the history of the alien abduction phenomenon. Our premise, in part, can be summarized by Thomas Bullard, “UFO abductions in the strict sense of the term usually include a visible UFO and require involuntary capture or coercion to get witnesses on board. Once they are inside the crew examines them and turns them out after about two hours, and during that time the witnesses usually suffer some impairment of memory, consciousness or ability to act. Failure to remember the encounter often persists long after the abduction is over. The earliest case of this general description occurred as early as 1929 (see Table I-1) and a few others date prior to 1947, but abductions begin to roll only in 1949. A low incidence persists until 1967, but the high rate of that year did not survive the decline in UFO activity or interest current around 1970. The number leaps to new highs during the flap year of 1973 and this time the level holds, with 1979 topping the chart with two dozen cases. A drop-off in the 1980s may follow the general decline in UFO activity during this decade, but delays in reporting, investigation and publication may be responsible. Time will tell whether the poor turnout applies to actual abductions or abduction reports. “At this point a word of caution is necessary: Many witnesses claim abductions back into the 1940s and 1950s, but a glance at the upper half of Table I-1 shows that no one reported an abduction before 1957. Abductions as a matter of record are 20 years old at best (for the listener, this volume was published in 1987), and most only half that age with 1980 being the peak year with 42 reports.” With Rich Hatem along for the ride we dive into the earliest modern abduction case in print, the accounts that The Interrupted Journey brought out, the stories of Flora Evans and Gerry Irwin, and strange cases of spontaneous teleportation. Sources: UFO Abductions: The Measure of a Mystery, Vol. 1 by Thomas E. Bullard “Fantasy or Truth? A new look at an old contact claim” by Charles Bowen Flying Saucer Review 1967 V 13 N 4 “Captives in Space” Canadian UFO Report 1975 V 3 N 6 “The Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse, UFOs: A History, 1958: January-February by Loren E. Gross The Unspeakable and Others by Dan Clore The Terror Above Us by Malcolm Kent “Teleportations” by Gordon Creighton, Flying Saucer Review, V 11, N 2 March-April 1965 “The Italian Scene - Part 4” by Gordon W. Creighton, Flying Saucer Review V 9 N 4 July-August 1963 “Teleportations” by Gordon Creighton, Flying Saucer Review, V 11, N 2 March-April 1965 “Attempted Abduction by UFO Entity?” by Gordon Creighton, Flying Saucer Review, V 13 N 2 March-April 1967 “Teleportation from Chascomús to Mexico” By Oscar A. Galíndez, Flying Saucer Review, V 14 N 5 September-October 1968 “More Teleportations” by Gordon Creighton, Flying Saucer Review V 16 N 5 September-October 1970 “Another Teleportation And Its Sequel” by Gordon Creighton, Flying Saucer Review V 17 N 5 September-October 1971 “Too Close for Condon: Close Encounters of the 4th Kind” by Michael D Swords Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
125: An Interview with Stan Gordon
Oct 31 2022
125: An Interview with Stan Gordon
For Halloween this year I wanted to do something special. I reached out to Stan Gordon, and he was kind enough to join me. Stan talked about many of the cases he's collected and investigated over the years, including the infamous Fayette County case, the Bigfoot/UFO flaps of 1972 and 73, miniature UFO cases, and various other types of cryptids. Bio: Stan Gordon was trained as an electronics technician who specialized in radio communications. He worked in the advanced consumer electronics sales field for over forty years. Stan has been researching UFO sightings, Bigfoot encounters, and other mysterious events in Pennsylvania since 1959. Since then, he has been involved with the investigation of thousands of unusual incidents. For many years, Stan led teams of scientists, engineers, and research specialists to investigate mysterious occurrences across Pennsylvania. He is the primary investigator of the 1965 UFO crash incident that occurred near Kecksburg, PA. Stan has been taking calls on UFO sightings and other strange reports from the public since 1969, and he continues to receive unusual reports on a regular basis. He has given illustrated lectures both locally and nationally on the topics of UFOs, Bigfoot, Cryptids, and strange encounters since the late 1960s. Gordon is a former PA State Director for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), and was its first recipient In 1987 of the MUFON Meritorious Achievement in a UFO investigation Award. He was listed in the 2005 FATE Magazine special, The 100 Most Influential People in UFOlogy Today. He is the producer of the award winning UFO video documentary, “Kecksburg The Untold Story.” Stan is the author of four books, Silent Invasion: The Pennsylvania UFO-Bigfoot Casebook, Really Mysterious Pennsylvania, and Astonishing Encounters: Pennsylvania’s Unknown Creatures. Stan’s 4th book, “Creepy Cryptids And Strange UFO Encounters Of Pennsylvania”, was released on March 2, 2022. Stan appears frequently on radio and television programs discussing his research on these topics. He has been interviewed for TV and radio programs nationally and internationally. Stan has been seen on the History & Discovery Channel, SyFy Channel, Fox News Channel, Destination America Channel, and Unsolved Mysteries, as well as numerous other TV programs. He has been a guest on the Coast to Coast radio show several times. In more recent years he was also seen on The Close Encounters series on the Science Channel, Monsters & Mysteries in America on the Destination America Channel, Monumental Mysteries on the Travel Channel, In Search of Aliens on H2, and UFO Conspiracies on the Science Channel. Stan also has been featured in a number of documentaries, including “Invasion On Chestnut Ridge.” He also has a cameo appearance in the family movie “A Wish For Giants” that premiered in February of 2018. See www.awishforgiants.com for details. The year 2019, will mark 60 years of research for Stan into the UFO & Bigfoot phenomena. Stan will be speaking at many events in 2019. He will also be appearing in two new films “Paranormal Bigfoot” and the new miniseries “On the Trail of Bigfoot”. For update information on upcoming events and reports see: www.stangordon.info. Stan’s books and DVD are available at: https://www.amazon.com/ and https://www.barnesandnoble.com/. Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Creative Weirdos - Welcome UFO People: A Discussion with Todd Purse & Rob Kristoffersen
Oct 29 2022
Creative Weirdos - Welcome UFO People: A Discussion with Todd Purse & Rob Kristoffersen
At the end of this week's episode I referenced a webcomic that I've been working on with past guest and all around good dude, Todd Purse, called Welcome UFO People. Well, we decided to get together and talk about it. On this bonus episode we talked about the comic that inspired us to do the series, the comics that we love, giving new life to old UFO/alien encounter cases, and the witness sketches that inspire us.  *Note: I kept calling it the Archives for the Anomalous but it's actually called The Archives for the Unexplained. Check out Welcome UFO People on Twitter and Instagram. High res images can be found on the Our Strange Skies Patreon page and Todd's Patreon page.  Check out Todd's podcast! Other links: Michael Buhler Obituary A Twitter Thread of Michael Buhler UFO Paintings December 3 1967: An Alien Encounter by Michael Jasorka Herbert Schirmer Presentation on YouTube The Locke & Key Series by Joe Hill and Gabriel Rodriguez Blankets by Craig Thompson The Collected Essex County by Jeff Lemire The Collected Canadian UFO Report Archived on the Archives for the Unexplained The Archives for the Unexplained Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
124: I Lived in a Nest of UFOs with Willow Truman
Oct 24 2022
124: I Lived in a Nest of UFOs with Willow Truman
Page space within UFO journals of the 50s, 60s, and 70s was dedicated to solely to the seasoned investigator, debuting important cases that we quote endlessly today, for the first time; the established theorist theorizing about the true nature of UFO entities, and other topics. Aside from listener feedback in select journals, those pages were almost never offered to the witness themselves to tell their own stories. That fact alone makes the story of Bernice Niblett unique. In Volume 2, Number 5 of Canadian UFO Report they dedicated a significant amount of space to Bernice and the experiences she had living in "a saucer nest" during the Winter of 1968. Willow Truman from The Nonsense Bazaar stops by to talk about Bernice, her unique view on what she experienced  Sources: “I Lived in a Nest of UFOs” by Bernice Niblett, Canadian UFO Report, vol 2 no 5, 1972-73 “Four Faces of Our Visitors”, Canadian UFO Report, vol 2 no 7, 1973 “Interesting Case Discovered Recently in N.H.” N.I.C.A.P. UFO Investigator, July 1972 Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Check out Welcome UFO People, the new webcomic from Todd Purse and myself on Twitter and Instagram. High res images are available on our Patreon pages. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
123: The Summer of Sasquatch '72
Oct 17 2022
123: The Summer of Sasquatch '72
The 1970s produced a distinct flavor of Sasquatch, one that could be found in nationwide headlines in states like Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana and Pennsylvania. Often these sightings would be accompanied by other anomalous events, like UFOs, strange voices, and odd smells. 1972 was a year riddled with both. In a commentary for the North American Newspaper Alliance, Keel wrote “Hairy Monsters Eclipse Comeback By UFOs.” “After a three year ‘lull’ with comparatively few flying saucers being reported, the little green men attempted a comeback this year. “But a seven-foot hairy monster with a serious perspiration problem walked away with most of the publicity.” On this episode we look deep into "The Missouri Monster" or Momo encounters that took place in Louisiana, Missouri. The Summer of 72 was an active time for Bigfoots, as a series of other infamous encounters took place in Indiana and Pennsylvania that year, making it the true Summer of the Squatch! Sources: Momo: The Strange Case of the Missouri Monster by Lyle Blackburn (If you're not familiar with Blackburn's work, seriously, go check it out. His books and podcast are wonderful! "On the Trail of Unidentified Furry Objects" by Jerome Clark, FATE Magazine August 1973 Silent Invasion: The Pennsylvania UFO-Bigfoot Casebook by Stan Gordon Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
122: The Anomalous Bigfoot with Jordan Heath
Oct 10 2022
122: The Anomalous Bigfoot with Jordan Heath
When it comes to the big hairy guy in the woods, most people are of the mind that Bigfoot is a salt of the earth creature, feet firmly planted on the ground. Well, on this episode, we talk about the Bigfoot that may have hitched a ride on a UFO. For decades, hairy creatures have been associated with the UFO phenomenon. In 1954, Venezuela was besieged by short, stocky creatures, with glowing yellow eyes. This particular hairy humanoid was particularly aggressive, scratching many witnesses. The link between the two phenomena would become stronger in the early 70s after a series of sightings in Missouri, Illinois, Indiana and Pennsylvania. On this episode Jordan Heath from Campfire: Tales of the Strange and Unsettling stops by to talk about Bigfoots that are able to disable cars with its hair, a strange case from 1912, and the strange case of George Kowalczyk, who may have been possessed by a Bigfoot? Sources: The Aliens by Hal Crawford, Hayden & Kietha Hewes The A.P.R.O. Bulletin, November 15, 1954, V 3 N 3 The A.P.R.O. Bulletin, January 15, 1955, V 3 N 4 The 1954 Humanoid Catalog “International Dateline” by Hayden C. Hewes, Canadian UFO Report 1971 V 2 N 2 “Anthropoids, Monsters and UFOs” by Jerome Clark and Loren Coleman, Flying Saucer Review 1973 V 19 N 1 “The UFO/Bigfoot Connection” by Janet & Colin Bord, Flying Saucer Review 1979 V 25 N 3 Silent Invasion: The Pennsylvania UFO-Bigfoot Casebook by Stan Gordon 1974 MUFON Symposium Proceedings “Berserk: A UFO-Creature Encouter” by Berthold Eric Schwarz, M.D., Flying Saucer Review 1974 V 20 N 1 “UFO-Related Bigfoot Encounter in Pennsylvania” by Stan Gordon, The MUFON UFO Journal May 1982 N 171 Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
121: The Swerve, Vol. 1: The San Pedro Haunting with Richard Hatem
Oct 3 2022
121: The Swerve, Vol. 1: The San Pedro Haunting with Richard Hatem
CW: domestic abuse A couple of months ago, patrons of Our Strange Skies voted on a non-UFO topic that we would cover. Among the choices of "Haunted Objects, "Gef, the Talking Mongoose" and "The Beast of Boggy Creek," the topic that won, with 38% of the vote was The San Pedro Haunting. The San Pedro Haunting, otherwise know as the Jackie Hernandez Poltergeist case, is a uniquely violent case. Jackie, along with other eyewitnesses and investigators were terrorized by a group of alleged ghosts who were out for revenge, including the spirit of a man who had been murdered in San Pedro harbor. A group of videographers, including Barry Conrad and Jeff Wheatcraft, under the guidance of parapsychologist, Dr. Barry Taff, documented the strange phenomenon that occurred in a small bungalow in San Pedro, which included mysterious substances oozing from the walls, strange light anomalies and orbs, large thudding sounds coming from the attic, which played a central role in the haunting, and much more. Richard Hatem stops by to discuss the case, provides his own unique rating system, *sigh*, and the elements that make this such a unique case. So, tune in and let the poltergeist throw bingo cards at you! Sources: An Unknown Encounter - Documentary by Barry Conrad An Unknown Encounter (Book) by Barry Conrad Blithe Spirits: A History of Poltergeists by S.D. Tucker Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
120: The Sunderland Family Mysteries with Sam & Sage
Sep 26 2022
120: The Sunderland Family Mysteries with Sam & Sage
On episode 96, we briefly touched upon the story of the Sunderland family, who'd had a series of encounters with UFOs and aliens in a field near their home. The accounts of Gaynor and Darren Sunderland were very similar; they included strange flying saucers, wobbly walking aliens, and sci-fi ray guns. Their story first made headlines in 1978 and soon after, investigators began to document continued contacts between these human-like beings, Gaynor and Darren. These contacts included trips to alien worlds, repelling sentient alien planets, and would expand to include "psychic questing," or the act of using chaos magick in the search for historical artifacts and locations. Sam and Sage from Your Brain on Weird join me to discuss slow moving ray guns, aliens that look like deranged Homer Simpsons, and the quest for the Green Stone! Sources: “The Sunderland Family Encounter - Pt 1” by Jenny Randles & Paul Whetnall, Flying Saucer Review 1979 V 25 N 3 “The Sunderland Family Encounter - Pt 2” by Jenny Randles & Paul Whetnall, Flying Saucer Review 1979 V 25 N 4 “Alien Friends” by Jenny Randles UFO Brigantia V 8 Alien Contact by Jenny Randles & Paul Whetnall “What Is Meonia? Its History and Role in Modern Psychic Questing” by Andrew Collins “The Sad Death of Marion Sunderland and the Green Stone Sale - A Response from Andrew Collins “Overlooked or Overcooked: The Case for Psychic Questing in Western Esotericism” by Simon Nugent “The Depths of Credibility” by Jenny Randles BUFORA Bulletin July 1986 N 22 “What Price Credibility?” by Marion Sunderland BUFORA Bulletin January 1987 N 27 Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona The website is back! Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices