How NOT To Start A Damn Brewery: the podcast

Kelly KfM Meyer

People of Earth, I would like to welcome you to the How NOT To Start a Damn Brewery: the podcast. In this podcast I consider it my duty to share the sometimes gory but always honest truth hidden in the craft beer industry. Mainly that it rarely operates like a business. Margins are trash, distributors are garbage and capital expenditures are a raging dumpster fire. But many of the people are badasses. I autopsy deceased breweries, retailers and distributors. I talk with wineries, breweries and distilleries. All in the search for ways to lure out profitability and best practices. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support read less
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Episodes

Coastal Craft Kombucha - Rachel Rappa
Mar 27 2024
Coastal Craft Kombucha - Rachel Rappa
Rachel Rappa didn’t make beer. She imagined into life what grew into a large-scale kombucha brewery on Long Island in New York.  But the similarities between what she experienced growing her fermented sweet tea business to the craft beer industry are startling. She dealt with distributors, retailers, employees, seasonality, limited access to growth capital and packaging issues, just like we do.  She started as an artistic homebrewer and ended up owning 20BBL tanks and brewing primarily core styles. That could be the origin story for 80% of the craft breweries in America.  As you’ll hear, I really wanted to ask her about the advantages of Direct To Consumer sales, which turned out not to be the savior so many craft brewers think it is.  What really struck me about Rachel’s story was her journey to personal redemption. In the 3rd segment we really dive into why she finally closed her dream and why she’s now experiencing a depth of happiness deeper than she’s ever known. Her advice earned from her experience should inspire everyone everywhere to linger a little longer in front of the mirror today. So sit back, listen in and let Rachel Rappa and the story of New York’s Coastal Craft Kombucha teach you how NOT to start a Damn brewery.  ⁠Coastal Craft Kombucha website⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Coastal Craft Kombucha Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Coastal Craft Kombucha Closing Announcement⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
Main & 6 Brewing - Dennis Espinosa
Mar 3 2024
Main & 6 Brewing - Dennis Espinosa
When Dennis Espinosa partnered with his mom to open Main and 6 in Jacksonville Florida he had the highest of hopes.  In 2017, like pretty much everyone in craft beer, he only saw victory ahead.  Most people would agree that he was set up for success. He started with award-winning beers, bought the building and hired an designer to make it special. He won more awards for his beer, actually a ton of them from 2019/2020.  In the brewery’s 5th year, he won the coveted GABF Brewery of the Year. And was closed down less than 10 months later.  There are a lot of reasons for why his brewery died. Some we’ve heard before but some will surprise you. So listen in as we share the story of Dennis Espinosa and Jacksonville’s Main and 6 Brewing Company so we can learn How NOT To Start a Damn Brewery. Main & 6 Brewing website⁠⁠ Main & 6 Brewing Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Main & 6 Brewing Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Main & 6 Brewing X⁠⁠ ⁠Main & 6 Brewing Closing Announcement⁠⁠⁠⁠ Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
Exit Brewing - Grum Knight
Feb 20 2024
Exit Brewing - Grum Knight
In 2023, the Australian Beer market was shocked by the announcement that a beloved brewery that had been awarded close to 40 medals for their beer was shutting down.  After 9 years blazing the path of Australia’s craft beer scene, Exit Brewing was planning to exit the brewing industry.  Around 2010, Grum & Frase had been inspired to start a brewery after spending time in Europe immersed in their beer culture. 4 years later they released their first beer, a saison. As their company grew, they expanded to an off-site taproom, followed by national and then international distribution.  But, like most of us, they couldn’t seem to find whatever rock profitability was hiding under. They tried rebrands, new beers, new partnerships. Frase left to get a real job.  I sat down with Grum to find out what happened, what went wrong and what the future of the Australian Craft Beer scene looks like. Hint: Grum exited it.  So open your minds and ears and listen to the story of Craig "Grum" Knight and Melbourne Australia’s Exit Brewing. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Exit Brewing website⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Exit Brewing Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Exit Brewing Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Exit Brewing X⁠ Uitgang Bar website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Exit Brewing Opening Announcement⁠⁠ Exit Brewing Closing Announcement⁠⁠⁠ Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
Escape Velocity Brewing - Jason Behenna
Feb 5 2024
Escape Velocity Brewing - Jason Behenna
When Jason and Heather decided to open their brewery in Indiana they, like most of us, decided to do it their way. They looked at what existed and targeted providing their community with something new.  Jason made beer styles that he respected in traditional ways. That meant lower abv beers with flavor and consistency. The couple decided to specialize in their food offerings and target an underserved demographic in their market. That meant building one of the only vegan breweries I’ve ever heard of.  While their niche within a niche might be smaller than the one you set out to fill, in a way, every craft brewery does exactly this. They look at what they perceive as the boring and stale market that currently exists and dream up something new and exciting that will attract customers and their credit cards.  Jason hit all the road blocks head-on and did so very publicly. After fighting against Covid, toxic masculinity and a suboptimal location, he and Heather finally lowered the curtain on Escape Velocity Brewing in the summer of 2023.    There’s a lot to learn here so open up and listen in. This is the story of Jason Behanna and Lafayette, Indiana’s late Escape Velocity Brewing.  ⁠⁠⁠⁠Escape Velocity Brewing website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Escape Velocity Brewing Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Escape Velocity Brewing Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Escape Velocity Brewing X⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Escape Velocity Brewing Opening Announcement⁠ Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
People's Pint - Doug Appeldoorn
Jan 21 2024
People's Pint - Doug Appeldoorn
When Doug Appeldoorn got the inspiration to open his brewery, he wasn’t just any old home brewer.  He and co-founder Pietro first started a brewing collective that hosted events to champion creativity, inclusivity and the homebrew community of Toronto, Canada.  They followed virtually every home brewer’s dream and found a permanent space to create a brewery with the dream of taking their homebrew community with them on their journey to go pro. They hosted events for them, maintained taps for their beer and sponsored their everts. All while trying to grow their own fledging craft beer brand.  After opening in 2018 it didn’t take long for the financial part of running a brewery to take it’s toll on Doug. While his story and the story or People’s Pint hits some of the same notes we’ve heard already, I can assure you that his is a unique perspective that I’m proud to have the opportunity to share with y’all.  So please, settle in and enjoy the story of Doug Appeldoorn and Toronto’s People’s Pint Brewing Company. ⁠⁠⁠ People's Pint Brewing Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠People's Pint Brewing Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠People's Pint Brewing X⁠⁠ ⁠GTA Brews Homebrew⁠⁠⁠ Club Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
Franconia Brewing - Guy Hagner
Dec 15 2023
Franconia Brewing - Guy Hagner
I think most of you would think that if I gave you 2300 shareholders that would invest 2.2 million dollars in your brewery that you could make it work.  If I said you could secure another 400 grand from a state loan and 600K the SBA that your 3.2 million dollars would give your brewery a runway to space travel.  And if I said you could go back in time to when there were only a few hundred US microbreweries you’d think I was crazy. Remember that with inflation, that’s like having 10 million dollars cash and you could still be the 3rd or 4th brewery in your state.  Well, back in the 90’s, Guy Hagner raised that money and Guy Wagner built that brewery. He opened with a world-class facility, a licensing deal for one of the best pilsners in the world and he closed 7 months later.  He’s never spoken publicly about the story of Franconia Brewing until now. The is a special interview that draws similarities to the current market and, if you’re paying attention, the business model of craft beer overall. And with that, I’ll get out of the way and let Guy share his story.  Where Guy's Brewing Now⁠ Franconia's Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Article about Franconia Closing⁠⁠ Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
Beer Nouveau - Steve Dunkley
Dec 9 2023
Beer Nouveau - Steve Dunkley
It’s important to me to dig deep and wide into the US craft beer scene. And while I plan to maintain at least 80% of my content domestically, we can’t solve the problems of the business of craft beer with a US based myopia.  So I’ve been searching the globe for stories of craft beer closures in other countries.  That’s how I found myself in Steve Dunkley’s orbit listening to his story and the story of Manchester’s Brewery Nouveaux.  Steve started small as Hell because in the UK you can open a brewery in your garage. You can bottle by hand and you can deliver your beer on a bike. And, apparently, on public transportation.  He created a brewery that researched and resurrected historic styles, incubated other breweries and opened an oasis for the weird.  And if he had it to do all over again, he’d stay in his garage.  Now, what does it say about the industry when the artistic, creative brewers that bring brains heart and soul to their craft and even they can’t make the business of beer work? Listen to the story of Steve Dunkley and Brewery Nouveaux and you tell me.  Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
Hedgehog Brewing - Jonathan Harris
Nov 21 2023
Hedgehog Brewing - Jonathan Harris
Hedgehog Brewing was founded by Jonathan Harris and his brother Chris in April 2019 just outside of Austin, TX.  After home brewing voraciously for years they’d honed their recipes, harvested their own yeast and set about making their unique mark on craft beer. They focused on fermenting beers with wild Hill Country yeast with a core of the business in farmhouse beers. They also did well with their IPA Jonathan echos the sentiment we hear a lot on this show: “Imagining recipes and brewing beer is rewarding, running a brewery fucking sucks.” Hedgehog pivoted repeatedly over the years. They started as distro-only and then opened a public taproom in 2021. They realized that their nano system couldn’t generate enough revenue so they started contract brewing select parts of their lineup off-site.  Please enjoy this story of Jonathan’s fight to find profitability at his brewery for 4 years before finally hitting the lights and shutting it down.  Hedgehog's Kickstarter Campaign Hedgehog's Twitter (X)⁠ Hedgehog's Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Hedgehog's Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Craft Beer Austin's article about Hedgehog Closing⁠⁠⁠⁠ Episode Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Accubrew⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Brewery Direct⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Somnifix⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠⁠⁠⁠Where to get my Damn Book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
BrewCult - - Hendo Henderson
Oct 18 2023
BrewCult - - Hendo Henderson
Steven Henderson is a craft beer rockstar. He goes by the moniker Hendo and he’s one of the best-known personalities in the Australian craft beer industry. Well-loved and well-respected. And, from what I can tell, well-deserved. He started a contract, or gypsy, brewing brewery called Brewcult. He pushed the boundaries of what people in Australia considered craft beer. He won awards for great beer, expanded distribution and travelled the country living the life of a National beer celebrity.  And then the whole thing came crashing down, leaving a spectacular hole in the Australian craft beer scene. And, of course, a rough patch in Hendo’s personal life.  But this story ends with a win as we’ll hear in the 5th segment. Hendo has gone back to why he loved the industry in the first place. Selling beer was never his passion, it was making the best beer he could. As Australia’s rockstar brewer, it was only fitting that he would start the Rockstar Brewer Academy. Like me, he’s focused on making the industry better. Unlike me he’s focused on doing it by mentoring and coaching brewers all over the world to make better beer.  And now, here’s the emotional, inspiring story of Steve, “Hendo” Henderson” and Australia’s late BrewCult Brewing Company.  Reach out to Hendo RockStar Brewer YouTube ⁠BrewCult Facebook⁠ BrewCult Instagram⁠ BrewCult Twitter⁠ ⁠Story about BrewCult Closing⁠ Episode Sponsored by: ⁠Accubrew⁠ ⁠Brewery Direct⁠ ⁠Simpson Motorcycle Helmets⁠ ⁠BrewBids⁠ ⁠Made To Measure Communications⁠ ⁠Somnifix⁠ (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) ⁠Where to get my book⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support
Lost Abbey Brewing - Tomme Arthur
Oct 5 2023
Lost Abbey Brewing - Tomme Arthur
Hey guys, today I have a story for you that’s very special to me. Lost Abbey is a brewery out of San Diego that needs no introduction. Tomme and the team over there have inspired breweries all over the world to push beyond the ordinary and intentionally create new and exciting beers of circumstance. They were a fundamental part of what created my perception of the expectations I wanted my brewery to live up to and I know I’m not alone in that.  We’ve talked repeatedly on this show about how specialization is dead. Niches get stitches as I’ve started saying. 14% abv beers aged in multiple barrels for multiple years, obscure, even historical styles and yes, even mixed culture sour beers have been shrinking in popularity and, subsequently, profitability.  The Lost Abbey was one of the pioneers in the American speciality brewery category. So when I heard that they reduced their square footage, equipment and staff I knew that it was a story I needed to dig into and share with y’all.  Tomme was nice enough to sit with me for two hours, answer my probing questions and share what he’d found out the hard way. There is backstory, pain, business lessons, hope for the future and of course, insights into How NOT To Start A Damn Brewery.  Reach out to Tomme at Tomme@lostabbey.com Lost Abbey Website Lost Abbey Facebook Lost Abbey Instagram Lost Abbey Twitter Story about their growing down Episode Sponsored by: Accubrew Brewery Direct Simpson Motorcycle Helmets BrewBids Made To Measure Communications Somnifix (use DAMNBREWERY at checkout for 10% off) Where to get my book --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/damnbrewery/support