On The Rail

Liz & Jenna

Welcome to On The Rail, the podcast exclusively for stock horse show amateurs, by amateurs. Join our passionate co-hosts as we explore every facet of the industry we all love, with engaging interviews featuring top competitors, seasoned professionals, and the Associations themselves. From behind-the-scenes insights to discussions on showing, economic impacts, and more, we cover it all. Saddle up and tune in every Monday to join our fellow amateurs on this exciting journey! read less
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102. Maintaining Integrity: Conversations on Ethics and Sportsmanship in the Horse World
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102. Maintaining Integrity: Conversations on Ethics and Sportsmanship in the Horse World
In this episode of On The Rail Podcast, we discuss with Robin Frid, Adam and Kelley Wainscott explore the complexities of ethics and sportsmanship within the horse industry. They delve into personal and professional backgrounds, sharing philosophies on maintaining integrity and exemplary conduct amid competitive pressures. The conversation emphasizes the importance of clear communication, trust, and open dialogue to foster ethical relationships. It also highlights the role of Professional Horsemen Associations within APHA and AQHA in providing support and resources for professionals and the community. Contact information for mentorship and guidance through these associations is provided. This episode offers valuable insights into maintaining industry standards and ethical practices. 00:00 Welcome Back to On the Rail Podcast 00:52 Meet Our Esteemed Guests 07:01 Diving into Sportsmanship 17:53 Exploring Ethics in the Horse Industry 37:01 The Trainer-Client Relationship 47:13 The Value of Long-Term Success in Horse Training 47:57 The Importance of Transparency and Red Flags in Client Relationships 48:27 Navigating Negative Conversations and Red Flags 50:41 The Role of Discernment in Matching Clients and Trainers 53:01 Creating a Trusting Environment for Amateurs 53:51 Effective Communication Between Trainers and Clients 59:12 Handling Difficult Conversations and Maintaining Professionalism 01:04:17 The Emotional Challenges of Ending Client Relationships 01:14:02 Promoting Sportsmanship and Ethics in the Industry 01:23:23 Encouraging Professional Development and Industry Involvement
100. Inside the AQHA World Show: Exciting Updates and Insider Info
Jul 8 2024
100. Inside the AQHA World Show: Exciting Updates and Insider Info
In this episode we discuss the upcoming AQHA World Show with Karl Stressman, CEO of the American Quarter Horse Association, and Scott Neuman, Director of Competition and International. The conversation covers important details about the AQHA World Show, including dates, locations, event scheduling, and the organizational complexities involved. They highlight the efforts made to incorporate feedback from town hall meetings, ensuring a fair and enjoyable experience for competitors. The guests also discuss the introduction of new classes, the significance of the event's 50th anniversary, and the transition to new facilities. Sponsorship roles are emphasized, showcasing their critical support and the association's commitment to transparency and member satisfaction. The episode also touches on qualifying deadlines, fee structures, and future enhancements aimed at benefiting AQHA members and participants. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions 01:23 Overview of AQHA World Show 02:14 Scheduling Challenges and Considerations 03:09 Town Hall Meetings and Member Feedback 04:03 Preparation for the Next World Show 09:21 Ranch Events and New Additions 15:31 Sponsorships and Social Aspects 20:53 Memories and Special Plans for the 50th Anniversary 23:57 Scheduling and Cost Management 27:41 Animal Welfare and Drug Testing Initiatives 28:38 Performance Alteration Testing Updates 29:30 Introducing RightFitLife for Riders 30:07 Return of Jackets as Awards 33:00 Youth World Show Enhancements 34:30 Ranch Horse Challenge and Event Commentators 37:08 Future Plans for AQHA World Show 39:44 Affiliate Support and Membership Benefits 41:22 World Show Qualifying and Entry Details 45:59 Financial Transparency and Paybacks 47:38 Contact Information for World Show Inquiries
099. On The Rail Goes Down Under
Jul 1 2024
099. On The Rail Goes Down Under
In this enlightening episode of On the Rail podcast, we converse with four distinguished Australian horsewomen, Shelly Lalor, Deanne Warwick, Janet Mansley, and Lara McEachern The discussion navigates their rich histories in horse showing, contrasts between American and Australian equestrian scenes, the DIY culture of horse training, and the logistical challenges of managing extensive distances in Australia. They highlight youth engagement, economic impacts, and the strong communal support in their equestrian circles. Additionally, aspirations for the future, the balance between children's education and training, and the growth potential in the ranch riding and amateur sectors are explored. The episode closes with an invitation to international audiences to witness Australia’s horse shows and cultural hospitality. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions 01:17 Shelly's Equine Journey 01:42 Deanne's Equine Journey 02:09 Janet's Equine Journey 04:20 Lara's Equine Journey 05:41 Discussion on Australian Stock Horses 08:13 Camp Drafting Explained 09:34 Regional Differences in Horse Disciplines 12:25 Rise of Ranch Riding in Australia 21:38 Challenges of Horse Showing in Australia 28:56 Balancing School and Horse Showing 33:18 DIY Training and Community Support 51:13 Transitioning Young Horses to Amateur and Youth Riders 52:26 Comparing Horse Training Costs: US vs Australia 54:26 The Benefits of Keeping Horses at Home 56:55 DIY Horse Culture in the US and Australia 57:54 Encouraging Owner Riders in Competitions 01:02:50 The Versatility of Youth Riders 01:12:02 Future Goals and Aspirations in the Horse Industry 01:22:58 Inviting International Participation in Australian Horse Shows 01:30:27 Concluding Thoughts and Farewells
098. Roundtable: In-Hand Trail and Longe Line
Jun 24 2024
098. Roundtable: In-Hand Trail and Longe Line
In this episode of the On The Rail podcast, we discuss horse training techniques for working with yearlings and two-year-olds. Special guests Amber Duckett, Gavin Pope, and Megan Seehafer share their expertise on prepping young horses for in-hand trail and lunge line classes, emphasizing the importance of early training and balancing it with horse welfare. Key topics include building trust, avoiding overworking, and ensuring positive show experiences. The conversation also delves into techniques for achieving effortless control and maneuvering, maintaining proper space and positioning, and teaching body commands for effective training. Practical tips are provided for both professional trainers and DIY amateurs, highlighting essential skills like trot turns, handling mouthiness, and performing back-through exercises to excel in trail classes. The episode underscores the significance of first impressions, correct presentation in the show pen, and setting horses up for successful competitive maneuvers. Related Links/Products Mentioned: -Millennial Cowgirl, a one stop shop for your marketing needs. 00:00 Welcome and Housekeeping 01:18 Meet the Guests 03:50 Diving into In-and Trail 05:05 Training Techniques and Benefits 14:01 Balancing Training and Welfare 21:17 Deciding on Show Potential 32:00 Preparing Yearlings for Shows 42:03 Exposing Yearlings to Obstacles 45:49 Critical Thinking in Horse Training 47:22 Judges' Expectations for Yearling Classes 50:00 First Impressions in the Show Ring 52:56 Tips for Handling Yearlings 01:01:52 Addressing Mouthiness in Horses 01:08:40 Navigating Poles and Back Throughs 01:15:55 Final Tips for DIY Amateurs
097. Carol Timke on Revitalizing Horse Shows with the Midwest Cash Incentive Challenge
Jun 17 2024
097. Carol Timke on Revitalizing Horse Shows with the Midwest Cash Incentive Challenge
In this episode of the On The Rail podcast, we are joined by Carol Timke who discusses the Midwest Cash Incentive Challenge (MCIC) for Midwest horses, exhibitors, and owners. Carol shares her extensive experience in the horse industry, talks about the objectives and origins of the MCIC, and highlights the unique aspects of this inclusive program. The conversation covers various topics including the combination of different horse breeds in the MCIC, the importance of promoting non-pro and amateur participation, class offerings, and the role of sponsors in making the program a success. Carol also touches on the viability and expansion of the MCIC, the challenges encountered, and the rewarding process of creating a community-focused horse showing environment. 00:00 Welcome to the On the Rail Podcast 00:50 Meet Carol Timke: A Journey with Horses 02:33 Settling in Iowa: Career and Family Decisions 03:35 Introduction to the Midwest Cash Incentive Challenge 04:36 Combining Color Shows: A Collaborative Effort 08:49 Eligibility and Objectives of the MCIC 14:55 Stallion Program and Inclusivity 19:30 Class Offerings and Participation 23:38 Sponsorship and Community Support 26:46 Engaging Stallion Owners and Breeders 28:24 Sponsorship Strategies and Challenges 30:37 Class Structure and Entry Fees 33:04 APHA Chrome Cash and Additional Fees 35:34 Program Evolution and Future Opportunities 41:45 Community and Family Atmosphere at Shows 44:32 Sponsorship Details and Final Thoughts
096. Contracts: Your Blueprint for Horse Relationships with Megan Rechberg
Jun 10 2024
096. Contracts: Your Blueprint for Horse Relationships with Megan Rechberg
In this episode of On the Rail Podcast, hosts Jenna and Liz engage with Megan Rechberg, a part-time litigation attorney and equine law specialist, to explore critical legal and ethical aspects of the horse industry. The discussion covers Megan's unique background, the essential role of contracts in equine transactions, and actionable advice for managing expectations and risks. The episode also addresses the impact of social media and AI on horse marketing, emphasizing the importance of transparency, proper representation, and effective communication to avoid legal issues and foster positive relationships within the industry. Practical guidance on maintaining integrity while leveraging technology is also shared. Related Links/Products Mentioned: -Amateur Arena is conducting an anonymous survey for amateur exhibitors. Take the survey here. 00:00 Welcome and Housekeeping 01:52 Introducing Megan Reckberg 02:43 Megan's Journey: From Riding to Law 06:39 Equine Law Essentials 12:57 The Importance of Contracts in the Horse World 25:57 Common Pitfalls and Solutions 27:48 Managing Expectations with Contracts 40:46 Risk Management in Horse Transactions 48:54 Financial Penalties in Contracts 49:15 Guarantees in Sales Contracts 50:06 Importance of Strong Contracts 50:44 Contracts in Horse Relationships 52:08 How to Get Out of Contracts 53:48 Training and Board Agreements 54:04 Handling Equipment in Trainer Breakups 01:00:53 Enforceability of Contracts 01:11:33 Social Media and Legal Implications 01:21:22 Future Trends in the Horse Industry 01:26:39 Conclusion and Contact Information
095. From Academics to Arenas with Alyssa Logan
Jun 3 2024
095. From Academics to Arenas with Alyssa Logan
In this episode of the On The Rail podcast, the hosts discuss exciting giveaways and introduce a giveaway winner, Candace Mullin. They then welcome guest Alyssa Logan, an accomplished judge with AQHA Level 1, NRHA, and other certifications, as well as an assistant professor and collegiate judging team coach at Middle Tennessee State University. Alyssa shares her journey in the horse industry, from her beginnings as a horse-crazy child to her academic and judging career. The conversation delves into her graduate research on the effects of circular exercise on joint and bone health in horses and calves. Alyssa provides valuable insights for aspiring judges and discusses the importance of practical experience and mentorship. The episode wraps up with a celebration of MTSU's equestrian team's recent national championship win. Related Links/Products Mentioned: -Learn on the interactive equine learning platform, HorseIQ, powered by the American Paint Horse Association -Learn more about the Ride Fit Life 28-day Macro Challenge here 00:00 Introduction and Housekeeping 01:36 Introducing Today's Guest: Alissa Logan 02:09 Alissa's Background and Early Horse Experience 06:51 Journey to Becoming a Collegiate Judging Team Coach 11:14 Insights into Judging and Collegiate vs. Professional Judging 16:18 Challenges and Trends in Judging 23:36 Obtaining Multiple Judging Cards 34:22 Advice for Aspiring Judges 37:44 Introduction to Research on Circular Exercise 38:30 Funding and Initial Studies on Calves 40:16 Detailed Findings on Bone Strength 41:42 Exploring Circular Exercise in Horses 45:47 Mechanical Horse Walker and Calf Study 51:15 Practical Takeaways for Horse Training 59:35 Issues in the Equine Industry Course 01:08:12 Empowering the Next Generation 01:13:54 Conclusion and Contact Information
093. Horse Show After Hours with Liz & Jenna
May 20 2024
093. Horse Show After Hours with Liz & Jenna
Hosts Jenna and Liz tackle a variety of critical and often controversial topics within the horse showing industry. They discuss the pressures and costs associated with horse showing, touching upon the expenses reported by participants and questioning the value it brings when balanced against the emotional and financial toll. They also delve into the issues within the training industry, highlighting the necessity for professionalism and business acumen among trainers, and the negative impacts of poor business practices on clients and the industry at large. The hosts reflect on the toxic dynamics that can exist between trainers, owners, and the broader community, emphasizing the need for open, honest conversations and a collective effort towards making the horse showing world a more inclusive, transparent, and supportive space. Throughout the episode, they call for greater unity, understanding, and change within the industry, advocating for a shift in perspective towards more humane, ethical, and sustainable practices that prioritize the welfare of horses and the well-being of all participants. 00:00 Welcome to the After Hours Episode! 01:13 Diving into Podcast Growth and Listener Engagement 04:57 The Evolution of Pay-to-Play in Horse Shows 18:49 Judging Standards vs. Trends: Navigating the Confusion 31:22 Fitness and Riding: Elevating Your Performance 32:33 Trainers vs. Business People: A Candid Discussion 45:36 Addressing Toxicity and Gaslighting in the Horse Industry 46:08 The Court Case Controversy and Professional Responsibility 47:28 The Role of Amateurs and Professionals in Animal Welfare 51:29 Personal Experiences and the Impact of Social Media Backlash 55:15 The Quest for Positive Change and Industry Reflection 56:43 Navigating Social Media and the Desire for Constructive Conversations 01:07:25 Financial Realities and the Cost of Horse Showing 01:13:55 Closing Thoughts on Industry Challenges and the Need for Openness
092. Behind the Mic with Peter Cannizzaro
May 13 2024
092. Behind the Mic with Peter Cannizzaro
This episode meet Peter Canizzaro, a revered horse show announcer with over three decades of experience. Peter provides insight into his journey from a part-time role while juggling an education career to embracing the announcer's booth full-time, including the commitment and travel it entails. Born into a triplet set deeply rooted in the equestrian world, Peter, alongside his brothers, has navigated the intricacies of horse show announcing, from mastering the craft to developing a unique style that resonates with the equestrian community. The episode covers the emotional spectrum of announcing, from the honor of memorializing departed friends at shows to the joy of amplifying victories at youth competitions, offering insights into the announcer's personal hobbies and aspirations outside the arena. Moreover, Peter shares practical advice for aspiring announcers, shedding light on the challenges and fulfilling moments of the profession, all while emphasizing the importance of passion, preparedness, and the ability to connect with and celebrate every participant. 00:00 Welcome to On the Rail Podcast: Special Guest Peter Canizzaro 01:51 Announcing Horse Shows: A Career Journey with Peter 02:54 Triplets in the Horse World: Unique Experiences and Shenanigans 11:47 From Academia to Announcing: Peter's Professional Path 15:30 The Art of Horse Show Announcing: Skills, Challenges, and Stories 28:44 On the Road: The Life of a Traveling Announcer 33:08 A Day in the Life of a Horse Show Announcer 40:58 The Heart of Horse Show Communities 41:44 Behind the Scenes: The Life of a Horse Show Announcer 44:54 The High Stakes of Timing in Lunge Line Classes 48:55 Crafting a Unique Voice in the Announcing World 55:13 Navigating Challenges and Memorable Moments 01:09:48 Passions Beyond the Microphone: Cooking and Sports 01:11:23 Aspirations and Advice for Future Announcers
091. Governance, Welfare, and Community Insights with Lori Bucholz
May 6 2024
091. Governance, Welfare, and Community Insights with Lori Bucholz
This episode of the On The Rail Podcast features Lori Bucholz, an AQHA Executive Committee member, who discusses her extensive involvement in the horse industry. Lori shares her journey from a young girl passionate about horses to holding significant roles within AQHA and other committees, emphasizing animal welfare, member involvement, and governance. The conversation covers topics including the importance of every AQHA member's voice, the process of rule changes within AQHA, the responsibility towards horse welfare, and the future of digital registration. Lori's personal experiences highlight the evolution of horse showing, the significance of continued education and ethical practices in the industry, and the collective effort required to foster young and female leadership within AQHA. 00:00 Welcome to On The Rail Podcast: A Conversation with Lori Buholtz 01:41 Lori Buholtz: A Deep Dive into Her Equestrian Journey 03:02 From Amateur Competitor to AQHA Executive: Lori's Story 04:31 The Professional Side: Lori Buholtz, Parliamentarian 11:12 Navigating AQHA Governance and Member Impact 23:39 Fostering Young Leadership and Female Leaders in Equestrianism 28:17 Reflecting on the Evolution of Technology and Its Impact 28:46 Introducing RideFitLife: Tailored Fitness for Riders 29:21 Exploring the Structure and Terms of National Directors 30:08 Breaking Barriers: Women in Leadership Roles 31:26 Inside the AQHA Executive Committee: Roles and Responsibilities 32:53 2024 AQHA Convention Highlights and Digital Registration Debate 39:31 Engaging the Community: The Value of AQHA Membership and Convention Attendance 42:21 The Importance of Animal Welfare in the AQHA 53:04 Vision for the Future of AQHA and Closing Thoughts
090. A World of Colors: A Glimpse of the APHA World Show
Apr 29 2024
090. A World of Colors: A Glimpse of the APHA World Show
This episode features an in-depth conversation about the 2024 APHA World Show, including insights from key figures within the American Paint Horse Association (APHA). The discussion covers the show's schedule from June 21st through July 7th at the Will Rogers Center in Fort Worth, Texas, emphasizing its no-qualifying entry, diverse events beyond competition, and a strong focus on family involvement. The guests explore the importance of Fort Worth as a location, the broad spectrum of competitive and breeding opportunities, added money incentives, and the introduction of new classes geared towards growth areas. A significant part of the conversation is dedicated to the innovative Intermediate Program designed to encourage wider participation by leveling the playing field for competitors. The episode also highlights the importance of APHA's corporate partnerships, particularly the new sponsorship from Boehringer Ingelheim for Intermediate division buckles. With a forthcoming focus on improving participant experience, air conditioning in the trail practice area, and a streamlined entry process, the episode provides a comprehensive overview of what to expect at the 2024 APHA World Show. Additionally, it touches on the importance of feedback from attendees, the involvement of APHA's events team in enhancing the show experience, and the myriad of ways individuals can engage with the event beyond competition. 00:00 Welcome to the APHA World Show Special Episode! 01:02 Introducing the APHA World Show Committee Members 04:15 Deep Dive into the 2024 APHA World Show in Fort Worth 07:27 Exploring the $1.5 Million Prize Pool and New Class Additions 16:21 Feedback and Improvements for the 2024 World Show 20:23 Expanding and Simplifying the Intermediate Program 26:49 No Late Fee for Intermediate Division 27:15 Introducing RideFitLife: Tailored Fitness for Riders 27:52 Exploring the Intermediate Program 28:22 Highlighting the Youth Scholarship Program 30:56 Corporate Sponsorships and Their Impact 32:42 Setting Goals for the 2024 World Show 37:22 Improving the World Show Experience 41:14 Getting Involved: Advice for Competitors and Spectators 46:48 Final Thoughts and Contact Information
089. Strength, Survival, and a Stallion with Amber Duckett
Apr 22 2024
089. Strength, Survival, and a Stallion with Amber Duckett
This episode of On The Rail Podcast, we get to see through the reins of Amber Duckett, an Idaho horse trainer and owner, who shares her journey from a young 4-H member to a professional trainer and owner of a successful stallion, One And Only Asset ('Marshall'). Amber's story highlights her DIY approach, the evolution of her career, and the special bond she has with Marshall, whose 'marshmallows' carry on his legacy. In addition, we explore the recent regulatory changes by the American Paint Horse Association (APHA) and their impact on the horse community, covering the perspectives of stallion owners and enthusiasts. Discussions include the challenges and opportunities these changes present, the importance of community support, and an optimistic outlook for the future of horse competition and breeding. 00:00 Welcome to On The Rail Podcast: A Dive into DIY Horse Training and Stud Ownership 00:51 Meet Amber Duckett: A Journey from 4-H to Stud Ownership 02:04 From Oregon to Idaho: Amber's Path to Horse Training 02:58 The Art of DIY Horse Training: Passion Meets Necessity 04:30 Learning from the Best: Mentorship and Growth in Horse Training 08:10 Navigating the Horse Training Industry: Approaching Trainers for Advice 11:57 A Major Accident and Its Aftermath: Amber's Story of Recovery 29:13 Returning to the Arena: Overcoming Brain Trauma and Physical Challenges 38:56 Exploring New Horizons: Colt Starting Contest and Expanding Skills 40:50 The Horse Expo and a Surprise Proposal 43:19 RideFitLife: Tailored Fitness for Riders 45:50 The Story of Marshall: From Weanling to Stallion 01:04:49 Breeding Success and the Impact of APHA Changes 01:09:28 Reflections and Gratitude
088. In The Pen with Mathis Show Horses
Apr 15 2024
088. In The Pen with Mathis Show Horses
In this engaging episode of the On The Rail Podcast, listeners are treated to an in-depth conversation with Adam and Pasley Mathis, the dynamic duo behind Mathis Show Horses. The Mathis' discuss their evolution from horse enthusiasts to professional trainers, shedding light on their personal and professional journeys that led to their partnership and the establishment of their training facility in 2019. Key topics include their approach to horse training, emphasizing adaptability and focusing on the unique needs of each horse. They also explore the challenges and rewards of navigating the horse show industry, particularly within Western pleasure competitions, advocating for a balance between high-level and state-level events to promote inclusivity. Moreover, the Mathis' share insights into managing a flourishing business while maintaining a healthy work-life balance, especially after the birth of their child. The episode also highlights the importance of community support, business management skills, and the role of programs like the NSBA's Tomorrow's Horseman in ensuring career stability in the equestrian industry. Through their story, Adam and Pasley Mathis inspire with their commitment to the sport, their business, and the wider equestrian community, all while looking eagerly toward the future of Mathis Show Horses and the industry at large. 00:00 Welcome to On The Rail Podcast: Special Guests Share Their Journey 00:57 The Mathis Show Horses Story: From Humble Beginnings to Success 05:57 Pasley Mathis: A Life Shaped by Horses 08:53 Diverse Backgrounds, Shared Passion: Adam and Pasley's Unique Perspectives 13:16 Adam's Path to Professional Horse Training 27:51 Building a Life Together: From Engagement to Launching Their Own Business 36:57 The Decision to Start Mathis Show Horses: Planning and Execution 41:51 Crafting a Career Plan: Insights and Reflections 42:30 The Joys and Challenges of Running a Business with Your Spouse 46:26 Navigating Work-Life Balance in a Family Business 53:48 Training Philosophies and the State of Western Pleasure 01:12:48 Embracing Opportunities: NSBA's Tomorrow Horseman Program 01:19:41 Looking Ahead: Goals and Aspirations for Mathis Show Horses
087. Gettin' Ranchy with Shannon Quinlan Hill
Apr 8 2024
087. Gettin' Ranchy with Shannon Quinlan Hill
In this episode of On The Rail Podcast, we dive into the ranch world, featuring an interview with Shannon Quinlan Hill, co-trainer of Hill Performance Horses in Sharpsville, Pennsylvania. Shannon shares her extensive background in the equine industry, spanning from showing hunters and cow horses to auction sale barn horses, influenced by her horse trainer and judge parents. The conversation covers her historic win in the Open Reining at Congress with Rough And Shiny, being the first woman to accomplish this feat, and the transition from reining to ranch riding, highlighting the differences between the disciplines. Shannon discusses the growing popularity and competitive landscape of ranch riding, touching on training methods, horse preparation for shows, and the importance of maintaining the horses' happiness and expression in their jobs. Moreover, the episode delves into the future of ranch classes, the challenges of achieving consistency in judging, and Shannon's personal goals, including obtaining her judging card and contributing more to association boards and committees. 00:00 Welcome to the World of Ranch Riding 01:08 Meet Shannon Quinlan Hill: A Trailblazer in Equine Industry 03:34 From Reining to Ranch Riding: Shannon's Journey 04:43 The Evolution and Appeal of Ranch Riding 05:40 Ranch Riding vs. Reining: Understanding the Differences 06:25 Exploring the Classes and Competitions in Ranch Riding 09:28 Transitioning to Ranch Riding: Insights and Experiences 13:22 The Growth and Popularity of Ranch Riding 18:08 The Future of Ranch Riding and Industry Insights 43:22 Shannon's Future Goals and Closing Thoughts