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The Cyber Ranch Podcast
Allan Alford
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Ride the cyber trails with one CISO (Allan Alford) and a diverse group of friends and experts who bring a human perspective to cybersecurity.
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Board Reporting Metrics Pt. 1 w/ Andy Ellis
2d ago
53 mins
Board Reporting Metrics Pt. 1 w/ Andy Ellis
In this episode, Allan is joined by the CISO at Orca Security, Andy Ellis, to share his thoughts on board reporting metrics. What does the board need to know from a cybersecurity perspective? One of the questions is often: “Are we secure?” Is that even the right question? How much should you talk about compliance? Do you speak of IT assets? What about speaking to specific controls? Listen to this episode to hear the common questions posed by the board and how to answer them with metrics. In some cases, it is teaching them to ask different questions. This episode is a master class in board communication in cybersecurity, and the conversation went into such depth that a Part 2 is already being planned. Check out Andy’s previous episode here Sponsor Links: Thank you to our sponsor Axonius for bringing this episode to life! Life is complex. But it’s not about avoiding challenges or fearing failure. Just ask Simone Biles — the greatest gymnast of all time. Want to learn more about how Simone controls complexity? Watch her video at axonius.com/simone Guest Bio: Andy Ellis is a visionary technology and business executive with deep expertise in security, managing risk, and leading an inclusive culture. A graduate of MIT and former US Air Force officer, Andy designed, built, and brought to market many of Akamai’s security products, leading the Fortune 1000 company from its start as a content delivery network into an industry powerhouse with a billion-dollar dedicated cybersecurity business. In his twenty year tenure, Andy led Akamai’s information security team from a single individual to a 90+ person team, over 40% of whom were women. In running Akamai’s security program, Andy designed systems, governed risk management, implemented policy, and supported go-to-market functions. Widely respected across the cybersecurity industry for his pragmatic approach to aligning security and business needs, Andy regularly speaks and writes on cybersecurity, leadership, diversity & inclusion, and decision making. Additional Links: Stay in touch with Andy Ellis on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Continue this conversation on our Discord Listen to more from the Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast
2d ago
53 mins
Getting a Seat at “The Table” w/ Brent Deterding
“Having a seat at the table doesn’t mean getting your way all the time. It means having a seat and I think that is very important to understand.” - Brent Deterding In this episode, Allan is joined by the CISO at Afni, Brent Deterding, to explore how CISOs can earn and keep their seat at the executive table. Brent was a fan of the Learned Helplessness episode of The Cyber Ranch Podcast with Steve Mancini, and furthered the conversation as it relates to the often espoused topic of CISOs needing a seat at “the table.” Brent discusses the power of shifting your mindset, how lack of confidence has created a cycle of self sabotaging, and ways we can collectively improve our current standing. Sponsor Links: Thank you to our sponsor Axonius for bringing this episode to life! Life is complex. But it’s not about avoiding challenges or fearing failure. Just ask Simone Biles — the greatest gymnast of all time. Want to learn more about how Simone controls complexity? Watch her video at axonius.com/simone Guest Bio: Brent is an Executive CISO whose mission is to enable Afni and its global workforce to support their customers securely and confidently. Prior to being a CISO, for over 20 years, he was a security practitioner with a security vendor specializing in threat detection, incident response, and security strategy. His efforts helped hundreds of organizations detect, respond to, and mitigate attacks. Additional Links: Stay in touch with Brent Deterding on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Continue this conversation on our Discord Listen to more from the Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast
May 18 2022
32 mins
All About SBOMs w/ Chris Castaldo
“Knowing what’s in your software, in your organization, can help you quickly determine if you are impacted by a new vulnerability.” - Chris Castaldo In this episode, Allan is joined by author and CISO, Chris Castaldo, to share his knowledge on Software Bills of Materials (SBOMs) and their potential implications and use. Chris explains the concept and purpose of SBOMs, his tips for signing and securing SBOMs in terms of the CI/CD pipeline, and his thoughts on SBOMs being a roadmap for “bad guys.” Lastly, he shares advice on managing and understanding contracts. Listen to Chris Castado’s previous Cyber Ranch episode here and be sure to grab a copy of his book! Guest Bio: Chris Castaldo is the author of “Start-up Secure: Baking Cybersecurity into your Company from Founding to Exit”. He is an experienced and industry recognized CISO with over 20 years of experience in cybersecurity. Chris is an expert in building cybersecurity programs from the ground up and specializes in applying cybersecurity in start-ups from seed to exit. He is also a Visiting Fellow at the National Security Institute (NSI) at George Mason University's Antonin Scalia Law School. Links: Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius Stay in touch with Chris Castaldo on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Continue this conversation on our Discord Listen to more from the Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast
May 11 2022
25 mins
Total Greenfield Innovation w/ Guillaume Ross
What would you do if you could build your security program from scratch? In this episode, Allan is joined by the Head of Security at Fleet, Guillaume Ross, to talk about his time building out an innovative and out-of-the-box security program and the steps he took to make it all happen. Guillaume walks us through how he developed and maintained a serverless, container based environment, his tips for securing PCs and Macs within a serverless environment, and how to establish department and business buy-in and overall cooperation. Lastly, he details steps to ensure resilience in an ‘everything as code’ security model. Some of what he builds might seem obvious – other parts will genuinely surprise you! Guest Bio: Guillaume Ross is the Head of Security at Fleet Device Management. He likes securing organizations, clouds, products and more, by refusing to implement the same things that have been tried and failed thousands of times already. Links: Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius Stay in touch with Guillaume Ross on LinkedIn and Twitter Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Continue this conversation on our Discord Listen to more from the Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast
May 4 2022
33 mins
Securing Cryptocurrency and NFTs w/ Nick Percoco
What are the security implications of cryptocurrency and NFTs and what do we need to know in order to transact safely? In this episode, Allan is joined by the Chief Security Officer at Kraken, Nick Percoco, to talk about securing the cryptocurrency and NFT spaces. Allan and Nick reflect on the events of the Mt. Gox bitcoin breach of 2013, address some of the most common misconceptions about crypto assets, and explore the biggest security challenges users and retail investors face when navigating the space. Lastly, Nick considers what cybersecurity lessons can be drawn from the security practices within the cryptocurrency ecosystem. Guest Bio: Nicholas Percoco has more than 25 years of security & technology experience, and is the Chief Security Officer at Kraken - a global digital asset exchange - where he is responsible for Security, IT, Technical Project Management, Operational Resiliency and Engineering. Links: Stay in touch with Nick Percoco on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Apr 27 2022
28 mins
”Playing Well With Others” - The Tech Stack w/ Tommy Todd
Allan is joined by the Vice President of Security at Code42, Tommy Todd, to talk about how the tech stack can “play well with others”. In this episode, Tommy takes a deep dive into exploring how APIs and automation can help solve our needs in cybersecurity – from incident response to the tech stack. The two discuss how to evaluate security products during a Proof Of Concept (POC) for integration capabilities and tips on addressing ROI concerns. Guest Bio: Tommy Todd has over 20 years of cybersecurity experience, primarily focused on data privacy and data protection strategies. Prior to Code42, he served in security roles at Symantec, Ionic Security, and Optiv as well as many other firms. Throughout his career, he has acted as a leader, mentor, engineer, architect, and consultant to solve difficult data protection challenges. Links: Stay in touch with Tommy Todd on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Apr 20 2022
33 mins
Thriving In A Male Dominated Industry w/ Ashley Rose
Allan is joined by the founder and CEO of Living Security, Ashley Rose, to speak about her experiences as a female entrepreneur and leader in a male dominated industry. She details the story behind her non-traditional route into cybersecurity and how she leverages her unique skills and vision to disrupt and transform the community. Ashley shares how she overcomes bias and business challenges in the field as well as the inspiration behind her creative marketing strategies. Lastly, the two highlight the lack of diversity and representation in the space and give advice to young entrepreneurs and females in, and breaking into, cybersecurity. Guest Bio: As the CEO of Living Security, Ashley has been the driving force behind the company’s rapid growth. Since its founding in 2017, Living Security has raised more than $20 million for growth and product development and accelerated revenue growth for three consecutive years. Ashley is also continually working to build a diverse and inclusive organization around the belief that the team should reflect the community at large. Links: Stay in touch with Ashley Rose on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Apr 13 2022
26 mins
Why CISOs and CIOs Don’t Get Along w/ Nick Vigier
This episode of the Cyber Ranch Podcast was recorded LIVE on stage at the CISO 360 Conference in New York City, hosted by Pulse Conferences. Nick Vigier, a seasoned CISO and former CIO, joins Allan in addressing the elephant in the room: Why don’t CISOs and CIOs don’t get along? Nick draws on his experience in both positions to share his unique perspective on the CISO and CIO relationship. In this episode, Allan and Nick highlight the operating differences between the two positions and explore the opposing interests that exist around topics such as budgets and reporting structure. Lastly, Nick shares why engaging in empathetic conversations around metrics, business impact, and risk management is the ultimate key to a more harmonious relationship. Guest Bio: Nick is a technology and security leader focused on innovation to drive business results. In his 18 years of security leadership, he has focused on building high performance teams to ensure security is a business driver rather than a cost center. His focus on all areas of security ranging from physical security to risk management through to application security, infrastructure security, and operations gives him a unique perspective on how security can positively impact an organization. Links Stay in touch with Nick Vigier on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Apr 6 2022
27 mins
Learned Helplessness in Cybersecurity w/ Steve Mancini
This topic couldn’t be more relevant given recent events in the security community. Allan Alford is joined by Steve Mancini, CISO at Eclypsium, to have a refreshing conversation about the negative messaging, thinking, and tropes in cybersecurity - not just the stuff that the press says about us, or even the stuff we say about each other - but the self-defeating stuff we think and say to ourselves. Steve addresses the reinforcement of negative catchphrases and how it affects the psyche of the community and explores how burnout is creating a culture of sleepless nights and masochistic badges of honor. Lastly, they emphasize the importance of empathy and support within the community and remind us that humans are our greatest asset, not our weakest links. Guest Bio: Steve Mancini is the CISO at Eclypsium, former Deputy CISO at Cylance, and an advisory board member for several cyber companies. Links: Stay in touch with Steve Mancini on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Mar 30 2022
38 mins
Leveraging Employee Strengths for Cyber Roles w/ Nick Vigier
There are numerous personality tests available to help identify personality traits, but many of them have very little scientific validity or reliability. Such tests often aspire to explain what you are good at and what you are bad at, and miss the mark. In this episode, Allan is joined by his friend and owner of Rising Tide Security, Nick Vigier, to explore CliftonStrengths – a personality measurement that focuses less on ability, and more upon your predilections - what energizes you, and what and drains you - and with a pretty good degree of scientific validity and reliability. Nick and Allan explore what makes CliftonStrengths different from the other personality assessments and how Nick leverages that information to better understand his team and colleagues, and to help folks find the right role in cybersecurity. The two sit down to dissect Allan’s own assessment results to identify his top 5 energizers, as well as his top energy drainers. And lastly, Nick shares why he favors the idea of personality development plans vs professional development plans in the workplace. Guest Bio: Nick Vigier is the Owner of Rising Tide Security and former CISO at ID.me, DigitalOcean, and former CIO at Gemini. Nick is a technology and security leader focused on innovation to drive business results. In his 18 years of security leadership, he has focused on building high performance teams to ensure security is a business driver rather than a cost center. His focus on all areas of security ranging from physical security to risk management through to application security, infrastructure security, and operations gives him a unique perspective on how security can positively impact an organization. Links: Stay in touch with Nick Vigier on LinkedIn and Twitter. Take the CliftonStrengths assessment here Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Mar 23 2022
42 mins
A Full Data Approach w/ Paola Saibene
In the episode, Allan is joined by the Principal at Teknion Data Solutions, Paola Saibene, to bring clarity to an often misunderstood topic: data governance. Paola helps to distinguish the difference between data governance and data management, examines the intersection between data ethics and cybersecurity, and explores the best methodology for applying risk frameworks. Lastly, she takes time to express the importance of being people focused and “humanizing” cybersecurity. Guest Bio: Paola Saibene is the Principal at Teknion Data Solutions, Former CISO, CEO, VP of Enterprise Risk Management, Data Privacy Officer, Strategy Officer, CTO, and CIO. Links: Stay in touch with Paola Saibene on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Mar 16 2022
30 mins
The Great Resignation & Cybersecurity w/ Jessie Bolton
With a looming skills/people gap in cybersecurity and retention at an all time low, it begs the question: Where is everyone? In this episode, Allan Alford and guest Jessie Bolton sit down to discuss the elusive “Great Resignation” and how it is affecting the cybersecurity community. Tune in to get the answers to the questions we are all asking ourselves, like: why are people resigning, how has the pandemic shifted our perspectives on work and boundary setting, how is the “great resignation” impacting security organizations, and how can we attempt to solve this issue? Links: Follow Jessie Bolton on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Mar 9 2022
28 mins
How Old is Data Risk Management? w/ G. Mark Hardy
In this episode, Allan is joined by the President at National Security Corporation, Navy veteran, and host of the CISO Tradecraft podcast, G. Mark Hardy. This show takes a fascinating dive into the origins of data risk management, measurement, and quantification. G Mark explores the stories and advice given from some of the greatest leaders in this space – whose advice still rings true today. Key Takeaways: 01:52 G Mark’s bio 06:43 FIPS-65 - the “grandaddy” of risk management 11:34 The ALE method, explained! 14:35 Oldies, but STILL goodies 18:12 A stroll down risk management memory lane 28:56 Revering “the greats” 37:22 What do you value and what’s your currency? Links: Stay in touch with G. Mark Hardy on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Mar 2 2022
40 mins
CISOs as Caretakers w/ Randy Potts
In this episode of The Cyber Ranch Podcast, Allan is joined by the CISO at Real Time Resolutions, Randy Potts. The two sit down to have a refreshing and raw conversation about the caretaking, responsibility, and code of ethics for CISOs - or lack thereof, and how to get back in touch with our “why” and mission. Disclaimer: This episode briefly mentions pornography and gambling within an important and relevant context, and has therefore been categorized as explicit. Key Takeaways: 01:43 Randy’s bio 03:08 Caring for “the people” 09:08 Stewards and custodians of data 14:10 Servant leadership 16:57 CISOs as caretakers 18:53 Doing the right thing 21:18 CISO code of conduct - or lack thereof 24:55 How do we fix this? 29:06 It’s nice to be nice Links: Stay in touch with Randy Potts on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonis
Feb 23 2022
33 mins
Cyber Mentoring w/ David Belanger
In this episode, Allan is joined by David Belanger, CISO at Maxor National Pharmacy, to talk about the challenges of breaking into cybersecurity. David discusses the importance of establishing mentor/mentee relationships in the community, why building a personal brand and expanding your network is a must when finding work, and tips for newcomers looking to break into the field. Lastly, the two touch on the power of visualization and staying humble throughout your career journey. Key Takeaways: 01:27 Bio & CISO life 02:57 Let’s define Mentor/Mentee 04:21 What makes cybersecurity mentorship unique? 07:10 Developing a long & short-term strategy 13:16 Mentors are essential 18:05 Formal vs. organic mentorships 22:10 Get out of your comfort zone 25:55 Advice for newcomers 30:15 Visualizing your success 32:00 Staying humble Links: Stay in touch with David Belanger on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Feb 16 2022
34 mins
Rationalizing the Tech Stack w/ Mark Butler
In this episode, Allan invites Mark Butler, an Advisory CISO at TRACE3, to talk about tech stack rationalization and how to get the most out of your technology investment. Mark shares advice on everything from how to properly analyze, identify, and consolidate your tools, both in the stack and cloud environment, to coaching your application specialists on embracing change. Key Takeaways 01:10 Bio 02:36 What is tech stack rationalization? 03:46 Where to get started 06:20 Evaluation - a 3 prong approach 08:08 The security architecture alignment 10:51 What about contractual obligations? 13:18 The “best of breed” strategy 17:37 Rationalizing the cloud 21:00 Data analysis - tooling, extraction, metrics 25:24 The 3rd party tool conundrum 27:50 The future of cloud rationalization 29:40 How to resolve tech overlap? 32:19 Embracing change 34:37 Mark’s advice on emotional intelligence Stay in touch with Mark Butler on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Feb 9 2022
37 mins
Penetration Testing Programs LIVE w/ Phillip Wiley
In this episode, Allan is joined LIVE on stage at FutureCon Dallas 2022 by U.S Bank Senior Cloud Penetration Tester, co-author of The Pen Tester Blueprint, podcast host, and college instructor, Phillip Wiley. Phillip journeys into his past to share how he went from pro wrestler to pentester, gives writing advice to future authors in the field, explores the art of pentesting, and the best starter certifications for pentesters. Lastly, Phillip explores the best advice he’s ever received and the dangers of burnout. Key takeaways: 01:27 Phillip's origin story - wrestling men and bears 03:04 The Pwn School Project 04:47 The Hacker Factory Podcast 06:55 Always a way to cyber 10:18 An opportunity to write 14:08 The Art of Pentesting 17:19 Getting square on terminology 24:42 The limitless child 27:25 The skinny on certs 30:23 Mentors 35:06 Back in the pentesting lab 37:14 When does threat modeling factor? 43:50 Coloring in purple Follow Phillip Wiley on LinkedIn and Twitter Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Feb 2 2022
46 mins
What We’re Doing Wrong in the SOC w/ Yaron Levi
Allan is joined by Yaron Levi, CISO at Dolby, to talk about the SOC and why we are going about it all wrong. Allan and Yaron identify and examine the three main areas of concern: the data, the analyst, the analysis – and how to improve upon them. Lastly, Yaron shares his thoughts on what steps and approaches need to be taken in order to successfully accomplish the SOC’s goal. Key Takeaways: 01:35 Bio 02:36 What are we doing wrong in the SOC? 06:54 Hypothesizing 11:22 How much gets left out when we make a hypothesis? 13:42 Anti-fragility & business outcomes 16:30 Business objective + threat model example 21:09 Lead with the why/ downstream applications 27:06 What outside influence has helped you inside cyber? Learn more about Yaron on Twitter and LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Jan 26 2022
29 mins
Cybersecurity Centers of Excellence w/ Rafal Los
Allan is joined by Rafal Los, industry innovator, strategist, and personality. His career spans 20+ years while working inside companies from the Fortune 10 to a firm of less than 10. Additionally, Rafal is a founder and host of the Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast - an industry podcast delivering a weekly take on cybersecurity since 2011. Join Allan and Rafal as they discuss cyber security centers of excellence, metrics, marketing and acceptance in this conversation between two friends. Key Takeaways: 01:56 Bio 04:27 Goals for Cybersecurity Center of Excellence (CoE) 06:44 How do you birth a Cybersecurity CoE? 09:45 Selling your service 15:18 Cost - who pays in the end and how? 17:10 Getting management on board 24:22 It’s not all about cost – but it is. 26:37 Metrics 31:05 Quality metrics 34:33 Your mess for less 38:02 What is something outside cyber that helps on the inside? Links: Follow Allan on LinkedIn and Twitter Follow Rafal Los on LinkedIn and Twitter Check out his podcast Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Jan 19 2022
40 mins
Investing in Cybersecurity Startups w/ Kathy Wang
Join Allan as he discusses investing in cybersecurity startups with the perfect guest for the subject: Kathy Wang, CISO at Very Good Security, investor at Silicon Valley CISO Investments, investor at Firebolt Ventures, and former founder as well! Allan and Kathy talk about investment goals, the process from start to finish, how to get started, the buy-in costs, returns, what to expect, partnering, etc. Join them as they dive into this fascinating topic: DISCLAIMER: NOBODY ON THIS SHOW IS A FINANCIAL ADVISOR OR PLANNER, AND NOTHING SAID ON THIS SHOW CONSTITUTES FINANCIAL ADVICE. OPINIONS EXPRESSED ON THIS SHOW ARE JUST THAT – OPINIONS – AND YOU SHOULD NOT USE THEM TO CONDUCT YOUR FINANCIAL AFFAIRS. CONSULT A LICENSED EXPERT INSTEAD OF US! Key Takeaways: 02:14 Bio 02:54 Getting into cyber security investing 05:28 Spotting good investments 09:13 What’s the process? 15:15 Ranging investments | partnerships 22:35 29 no's and 1 yes – is that reality? 26:20 Seeking investment? Start here. 29:31 Be willing to work with other people 30:57 What is something from outside of infosec that helped you in infosec? Links: Follow Kathy Wang on LinkedIn Follow Allan Alford on LinkedIn and Twitter Purchase a Cyber Ranch Podcast T-Shirt at the Hacker Valley Store Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio and The Cyber Ranch Podcast Sponsored by our good friends at Axonius
Jan 12 2022
33 mins
