It has come to this. Team members Edwin Gomez and Craig Hammill debate Todd Phillip's 2019 JOKER, the highest grossing rated R movie of all time that finally won Joaquin Phoenix the Best Actor Oscar. Edwin loves the movie. Craig respects many aspects but has some big issues. Mental health and the proper setting up of a new Batman mythos get discussed. As well as the movie's reverence for Martin Scorsese. Edwin keeps insisting on using a Mohammed Ali metaphor to describe this debate. Craig says the audience will have to decide who Ali is after listening.