On this episode of And Security For All, guest host Jonathan Kimmitt, CISO at the University of Tulsa, has Kevin Sesock, CIO at Oklahoma Municipal Assurance Group on the show to discuss the importance of a CISO's relationship with the General Counsel and how to build a successful one. Both positions speak the same language of protecting the organization, but often communication can be challenging. Tune in to find out how to build a strong working relationship with legal departments in your organization.