Rachel and Steph are still beyond humbled that Craig Santos Perez, who has won an American Book Award, agreed to be on their podcast. They chat with Craig, an indigenous CHamoru, about moving from his home island of Guam to California as a teenager, quitting his first job at Little Caesars, landing a teaching job, and using writing to address and cope with climate change and climate anxiety.

Rachel has the audacity to give him a writing tip; Craig teaches Steph how to improve her discussion-leading skills; and Rachel challenges Steph to a poetry-writing contest… to be judged… by an American Book Award Winner… which definitely doesn’t stress them out… at all.