Bad design is bad for the planet. In today's episode we talk to Oliver Campbell, who runs packaging for DELL Computer. As you can imagine, DELL Computer creates a fair amount of packaging! Oliver has taken on ocean plastic pollution by starting the Next Wave Collaborative, along with the Lonely Whale Foundation and is making packaging from ocean bound plastic. He's also working to use re-captured carbon from India to produce ink for his boxes. Who said packaging wasn't sexy?