In the first of this two-part conversation, Leggy and Daniel discuss shame, from how they experience it, to recognizing its effects and why it’s important to talk about. The 2 LADS also talk about the relationship between shame and judgement, and how we can fall into the trap of projecting our own moral standards on others leading to unnecessary shame. And they even get into how shame has affected their sex lives and personal relationships. Listen now for another candid conversation on a topic you don’t often hear men talking about so openly.

The 2 LADS podcast tackles big topics with brutal honesty and vulnerability; replacing shame and guilt with truth and love in the quest for emotional and spiritual growth. These conversations are unflinching, uncomfortable, funny... and ongoing.

JUMP STRAIGHT INTO:

(02:58) - Recognizing when you're acting in shame - “Shame is a tricky one because a lot of the time you don't even know that you're in shame until you reflect on what you've just done.”

(05:17) - Shame and sex - “There's something about the shame of giving your wholeself to something. There's a shame in that.”

(10:34) - Shame and judgment - “The influence of other people's version of shame—often their own projection by the way—is where people get into trouble.”

(12:36) - Shame is a sign something is out of alignment - “I believe it is on me to get clear about how I want to operate in the world, and then if shame comes in, it means to me now that something is not aligning.”

(13:39) - Forgiving yourself for your mistakes - “Acknowledge that you fucked up, but you also have to be kind to yourself because you're already in shame.”

(15:16) - The strange things we do out of shame - “I think subconsciously underneath that, there was a kind of fishing line out to try to get some kind of the connection that would validate the other feeling.”

(20:57) - Shame spirals and talking about shame - “Men aren't good at dealing with that because we don't talk very much. We never get to bounce something off somebody else and stop the spiral in its tracks.”

(24:42) - Estimable acts and Shame pits - “There's so many shame pits now. There are just shame pits everywhere. You can't do anything other than stumble into a shame pit.”

(26:54) - Front loaded vs. back loaded shame - “The back end of the shame is equal and proportionate to how easy the first part was.”

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The 2 LADS podcast was created and produced by actor Daniel Sharman and music producer Christian 'Leggy' Langdon. With additional editing and production by Katie Sunku Wood and StudioPod Media. Sarah Jade Wilson is the Brand Director. With photography by Diana Mantis. Graphic design/video editing by Aldona Kowal. Music Composed, Mixed and Mastered by Christian ‘Leggy’ Langdon.