PODCAST

Adopt Perspective

Jigsaw Queensland

Adopt Perspective is a podcast for anyone affected by adoption. We discuss the adoption experience from the perspectives of mothers, fathers, adopted people and their loved ones, so that we may learn and grow from the perspectives of others. Sharing personal stories and explore adoption topics including adoption loss, psychological impacts of adoption, forced adoption, inter-country adoption, searching, reunion, healing and many others. We interview adults affected by adoption as well as practitioners, people involved in inquiries, research, legislative change and apologies, artists, film-makers and authors. Adopt Perspective is hosted by Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow and is produced by Jigsaw Queensland - Post Adoption Support Service - www.jigsawqueensland.com/adopt-perspective - The podcast discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised.

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Tracy Shand
4d ago
Tracy Shand
Today’s guest is an adoptee born in the late sixties under the closed adoption system and a cloud of secrecy. Tracy Shand searched for and reunited with her mother and sister at the age of twenty-four, finding the relationships complex to maintain over time. At the age of forty-five she did a commercial DNA test to find her father and 3 years later found success. Tracy is sharing her personal story with us today and how her experiences have led her to research adoption as part of her Psychology Honours degree. She joins us from Launceston in Tasmania. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Tracy Shand
4d ago
Tracy Shand
Today’s guest is an adoptee born in the late sixties under the closed adoption system and a cloud of secrecy. Tracy Shand searched for and reunited with her mother and sister at the age of twenty-four, finding the relationships complex to maintain over time. At the age of forty-five she did a commercial DNA test to find her father and 3 years later found success. Tracy is sharing her personal story with us today and how her experiences have led her to research adoption as part of her Psychology Honours degree. She joins us from Launceston in Tasmania. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Benjamin Kelleher
Jun 7 2022
Benjamin Kelleher
Benjamin Kelleher was adopted from Brazil in the city of Belo Horizonte and was brought to Australia in 1989 at the age of 13 months. He was one of 5000 children in the orphanage at the time of his adoption. Benjamin grew up on the sunny beaches of the Gold Coast in Queensland and recently shared his experience of intercountry adoption in a series of educational video resources produced by InterCountry Adoptee Voices in partnership with Relationship Matters. In this episode, Benjamin shares more of his experience with our listeners. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Fiona Mawson - EMDR
May 24 2022
Fiona Mawson - EMDR
Even if you're not quite sure what it is, chances are you've heard of Eye Movement Desensitisation Reprocessing (EMDR). EMDR is a form of psychotherapy developed by Francine Shapiro in the 1980s that was originally designed to alleviate the distress associated with traumatic memories, such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Many people affected by adoption have attributed the therapy with helping them. While there is no one size fits all approach when it comes to seeking help, we will be exploring a number of therapeutic options over the coming seasons. In today's episode, we'll be discussing EMDR with Fiona Mawson, a Counselling Psychologist and registered and accredited EMDR Consultant with the EMDR Association of Australia. Fiona also has an EMDR focussed practice in Victoria. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Evelyn Robinson - Grief & Loss in Adoption
May 10 2022
Evelyn Robinson - Grief & Loss in Adoption
Evelyn Robinson is a mother who was separated from her first child through adoption in Scotland in 1970. She later emigrated to Bermuda and then South Australia in 1982, where she still resides. Evelyn has a wealth of knowledge and experience in relation to the long-term outcomes of adoption separation and has experienced post-adoption services from every perspective - as a client, a volunteer and as a professional counsellor. She holds undergraduate and post-grad qualifications in social work and education. In 2017, Evelyn was named in the Australia Day Honours List and received an Order of Australia medal for her service to the community, in particular to family members separated by adoption. She is the mother of five children and has written several books about adoption. In this episode, Evelyn and Jo talk about grief and loss and adoption. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland Inc. (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Evelyn Robinson - A Mother's Story
Apr 26 2022
Evelyn Robinson - A Mother's Story
Evelyn Robinson is a mother who was separated from her first child through adoption in Scotland in 1970. She later emigrated to Bermuda and then South Australia in 1982, where she still resides. Evelyn has a wealth of knowledge and experience in relation to the long-term outcomes of adoption separation and has experienced post-adoption services from every perspective - as a client, a volunteer and as a professional counsellor. She holds undergraduate and post-grad qualifications in social work and education. In 2017, Evelyn was named in the Australia Day Honours List and received an Order of Australia medal for her service to the community, in particular to family members separated by adoption. She is the mother of five children and has written several books about adoption. In part one of two episodes with Evelyn she shares her personal story of loss and reunion. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland Inc. (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Trauma Sensitive Yoga - Edwina Kempe
Apr 12 2022
Trauma Sensitive Yoga - Edwina Kempe
There is no "one size fits all" approach when it comes to finding a therapy that is right for you. Throughout this and coming seasons we'll be exploring a number of therapeutic options in the hope that amongst them you might find an option that you'd like to investigate further. First up we'll be discussing Trauma Sensitive Yoga (TSY) with Edwina Kempe, an accredited mental health social worker and trauma-sensitive yoga facilitator and trainer. TSY provides an opportunity to safely connect to your body and your breath through the practice of yoga and is suitable for all levels of fitness and flexibility. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Donor Conception - Kate & Kath
Mar 29 2022
Donor Conception - Kate & Kath
The Queensland Parliament's Legal Affairs and Safety Committee have recently invited submissions for its inquiry into matters relating to donor conception information with a deadline of 29 April, 2022. It is important the committee receive as many submission as possible from people with lived experience of donor conception. With this in mind, Jo talks to Kate Drysdale, who is donor conceived and Kath Gelber, the mother of a donor conceived child about their experiences, the inquiry and where donor conceived people can come together to connect, get information and support and become involved in advocacy. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to host is Dr Jo-Ann Sparrow - President of Jigsaw Queensland (www.jigsawqueensland.com) Connect with us Instagram - adopt_perspective_podcast Facebook - Jigsaw Post-Adoption Centre Queensland We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we work and the many lands that our clients now live on and we wish to acknowledge and show our respects to Elders past and present for their continuing connection to culture and the contributions they make to community. We acknowledge how much we have to learn from them and their unique understanding of connection and adoption and their recognition that at the base of every change is truth telling and healing.
Kylie's Story
Mar 15 2022
Kylie's Story
In the last episode we spoke to Joyce about her story of losing a daughter to adoption and later reuniting with her. In this episode, we speak with Joyce's daughter, Kylie about how adoption has impacted her life and what her reunion with her mother has brought to her life. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Joyce - A Mother's Story
Mar 1 2022
Joyce - A Mother's Story
Joyce is a mother who lost a daughter to adoption in Rockhampton (Qld) in 1970. In this episode, Joyce shares her story with Jo, including her reunion with her daughter, Kylie in 1990. In the next episode Kylie shares her powerful story of how adoption has impacted her life. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Nancy Verrier - Part Two
Feb 15 2022
Nancy Verrier - Part Two
In the first two episodes of Season Three, we speak to psychotherapist, author and lecturer, Nancy Verrier about her research into adoption and her books, 'The Primal Wound: Understanding the Adopted Child' (1993) and 'Coming Home to Self: The Adopted Child Grows Up' (2003). Nancy's first book turned the fairytale narrative of adoption on its head. She wasn't the first academic to explore the effects of early infant separation from their mother and subsequent adoption, however, she communicated it in a way that was relatable and easily understood. Her books are listed in the Jigsaw Queensland recommended reading lists and are often the starting place for anyone exploring their experience. In episodes 1 and 2, we speak to Nancy about her interest in adoption, research, books and her thoughts on healing from adoption trauma. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Nancy Verrier - Part One
Feb 1 2022
Nancy Verrier - Part One
In the first two episodes of Season Three, we speak to psychotherapist, author and lecturer, Nancy Verrier about her research into adoption and her books, 'The Primal Wound: Understanding the Adopted Child' (1993) and 'Coming Home to Self: The Adopted Child Grows Up' (2003). Nancy's first book turned the fairytale narrative of adoption on its head. She wasn't the first academic to explore the effects of early infant separation from their mother and subsequent adoption, however, she communicated it in a way that was relatable and easily understood. Her books are listed in the Jigsaw Queensland recommended reading lists and are often the starting place for anyone exploring their experience. In episodes 1 and 2, we speak to Nancy about her interest in adoption, research, books and her thoughts on healing from adoption trauma. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
2021 Year in Review (incl a sneak preview of 2022)
Nov 30 2021
2021 Year in Review (incl a sneak preview of 2022)
2021 has both spun past in a blur and at times been a heavy load to carry for many of us. Let's take a look back at the year that was, Season Two's 24 episodes and we have a teaser for our first two episodes of 2022, featuring the author of The Primal Wound: Understanding the Adopted Child, Nancy Verrier. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information got to
Collette Glazebrook - Part Two
Nov 16 2021
Collette Glazebrook - Part Two
Here is Part Two of our interview with Collette Glazebrook. Jo Sparrow talks to Collette about managing the lifelong legacy of adoption, weathering its storms and rejoicing in the sunny days with someone who has a great deal of experience with both. Collette Glazebrook was born in 1948 and adopted 3-days later. She has since gone on to discover she had ten siblings, and all but one were placed for adoption. Collette has tirelessly volunteered for Jigsaw Qld on the Management Committee, as a peer support worker, support group facilitator and in many other roles for more than two decades and published a book about her adoption experience called 'Facing the Fears' in 2007. She is also the sister of Trevor Jordan, our current CEO and former President.
Collette Glazebrook - Part One
Nov 2 2021
Collette Glazebrook - Part One
Today we're taking talking about managing the lifelong legacy of adoption, weathering its storms and rejoicing in the sunny days with someone who has a great deal of experience with both. Collette Glazebrook was born in 1948 and adopted 3-days later. She has since gone on to discover she had ten siblings, and all but one were placed for adoption. Collette has tirelessly volunteered for Jigsaw Qld on the Management Committee, as a peer support worker, support group facilitator and in many other roles for more than two decades and published a book about her adoption experience called 'Facing the Fears' in 2007. She is also the sister of Trevor Jordan, our current CEO and former President. The episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Integrated Birth Certificates - Nikki Hartmann
Oct 19 2021
Integrated Birth Certificates - Nikki Hartmann
In this episode, Jane speaks to Nikki Hartmann from Relationships Australia about Integrated Birth Certificates. One of the recommendations of the Senate Inquiry into former forced adoption policies and practices and the Australian Government's response following the 2013 Apology for Forced Adoptions was the nationwide introduction of Integrated Birth Certificates. However, at the time this episode went live only two states had introduced legislation allowing for them to be created - South Australia (2016) and NSW (2020). This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Rebecca Autumn Sansom - Reckoning with the Primal Wound
Oct 5 2021
Rebecca Autumn Sansom - Reckoning with the Primal Wound
Rebecca Autumn Sansom is a New York documentary film maker whose latest offering, 'Reckoning with the Primal Wound' is the first film to explore Nancy Verrier's landmark book, 'The Primal Wound: Understanding the Adopted Child'. First published in 1993, Verrier's work remains the starting point for many adopted people when they begin to explore their experience. The documentaryexplores relinquishment trauma, and the cultural phenomenon surrounding the book. In this episode, Jo and Rebecca unpack the experience of working with her birth mother to produce the film, the primal wound, interviewing Nancy Verrier and the emotional labour of creating a sometimes personal work for a wider audience.
Karen Ingram - Lifting the Lid
Sep 21 2021
Karen Ingram - Lifting the Lid
Today's guest is an author and adoptee who was born in Sydney's Crown Street Women's Hospital in 1965 where she remained for a month because of a mild talipes diagnosis. When released from the hospital she was placed in a foster care arrangement with her future adoptive parents for a period of twelve months, until the adoption was finalised. Karen describes herself as a mother, feminist, performer, celebrant and activist and now resides in Melbourne, Australia. In this episode she speaks to Jo Sparrow about her story and memoir, 'Lifting the Lid: a memoir born of adoption'. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Dr Gary Clapton - The Father's Experience (Part Two)
Sep 7 2021
Dr Gary Clapton - The Father's Experience (Part Two)
In the second episode of our interview with Dr Gary Clapton, Jo asks him about his adoption research, with a particular focus on fathers who lost children to adoption. Gary is a father who lost a daughter to adoption in 1970. He is also a social worker who conducts research into adoption at The University of Edinburgh and is a committee member of the Father's Network Scotland and an advisor to 'Birthlink'. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Dr Gary Clapton - A Father's Story (Part One)
Aug 24 2021
Dr Gary Clapton - A Father's Story (Part One)
Dr Gary Clapton is a father who lost a daughter to adoption in 1970. He is also a Social Worker who conducts research into adoption at The University of Edinburgh and is a committee member of the Father's Network Scotland and an advisor to 'Birthlink'. In this episode Gary will be sharing his personal story with Jo Sparrow and in part two he'll be discussing his adoption research, with a particular focus on fathers who lost children to adoption. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to
Lynelle Long - InterCountry Adoptee Voices (ICAV)
Aug 10 2021
Lynelle Long - InterCountry Adoptee Voices (ICAV)
Lynelle Long is a Vietnamese adoptee born in the early 70's who now resides in Sydney, Australia. She founded InterCountry Adoptee Voices (ICAV) in 1988 and has built it into a global network in the intercountry adoptee community. It is now one of the first worldwide platforms for adoptee-led organisations and individuals to collaborate, share and encourage one another - regardless of sending or adoptive country. Lynelle has also built relationships with the Australian Federal Government, which is responsible for intercountry adoption and also with state central authorities in Australia. She works tirelessly as a global advocate for the needs and rights of intercountry adoptees and has presented at domestic and international seminars, written, edited and collaborated to publish extensively on the experiences of intercountry adoptees - including the Colour of Time book published in 2017. Lynelle has also presented at The Hague Working Groups to Prevent & Address Illicit Practices in Intercountry Adoption and was invited to join Child Identity Protection as a Special Advisor. This episode discusses adult themes and listener discretion is advised. For more information go to