In Episode #113, we’re joined by Mo Islam, Payload’s Co-Founder. We cover lessons we can learn from the Apollo space era, why killing them with kindness is the best option, and why founders should stay focused on what they love.
“Hubris kills startups and humility saves them. No matter what your success level is or may not be, it's really important to always be humble about what you're building and what you're doing because it can change at the drop of a hat.” – Mo Islam
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In this episode, we deconstruct Mo Islam’s peak performance playbook—from their favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on their life. In it we cover:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:01:40 – Clearing up misconceptions about space
00:03:06 – Kill them with kindness, embrace the boredom
00:05:30 – Learning from Phillippe Laffont and Engines That Move Markets
00:07:33 – Hubris kills startups; humility saves them
00:09:18 – Focus on what you love
00:12:02 – Learning from the Apollo era
00:13:15 – Relying on to-do lists and the Notes app
00:15:53 – Do what matters, change people’s lives for the better
ABOUT MO ISLAM
Mo Islam is co-founder of Payload, which is building a media empire dedicated to covering the business and policy of space, as in outer space. We discovered Payload and immediately subscribed to their daily newsletter after it was recommended by Delian Asparouhov, co-founder of Varda Space Industries, in Episode 71. We asked Delian what newsletters and websites he used to stay on top of everything going on in space, and he had only one answer: Payload Space.
Mo Islam has a fascinating background in finance, having worked at J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank before co-founding Payload. In this episode, Mo shares why hubris kills startups and humility saves them, what he's learned from incredible investors like Philippe Laffont at Coatue, and why he loves the book Engines That Move Markets, which we had never heard of but immediately ordered after recording this episode with him.
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