Inclusion Catalyst

Mickey Desai & Susan Cooper

Welcome to Inclusion Catalyst, with your hosts Mickey Desai and Susan Cooper. We bring diversity leaders to the table to hear about current issues in diversity and inclusion, deconstructing complex social justice issues to showcase the best practices in our workplaces and our communities.

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Cultural Humility and Third-Culture Kids
Sep 25 2022
Cultural Humility and Third-Culture Kids
Julien and Ruchika Tulshyan discuss their shared experience of being third-culture kids and how that relates to the importance of cultural humility in the workplace. Adults and children who qualify as third-culture have a unique and sometimes incomplete experience of cultural identity formation. While they might struggle with feeling a sense of true belonging in whichever of their home cultures they’re in, they are often incredibly adept at building bridges across difference and demonstrating the kind of cultural humility that is required of inclusive leaders. DE&I initiatives and programs are now more geared than ever towards building a true sense of belonging for employees—cultural humility plays a role in achieving this elusive but critical human experience. We’re excited to welcome to the show Ruchika Tulshyan, the author of Inclusion on Purpose: An Intersectional Approach to Creating a Culture of Belonging at Work (MIT Press). She’s also the founder of Candour, an inclusion strategy practice. A former international business journalist, Ruchika is a regular contributor to The New York Times and Harvard Business Review. Ruchika co-wrote a paradigm-shifting article, Stop Telling Women They Have Imposter Syndrome for Harvard Business Review, with Jodi-Ann Burey. The article has over a million views, has been translated into multiple languages and is one of HBR.org's top most 100 read articles in history, as well as the top 3 articles for the publication in 2021. Best of all, people all over the world have said it helped change their relationship with the concept of imposter syndrome! Today we discuss: The perspective and power of third-culture kids.Why cultural humility is far more effective than cultural competence.“Measuring” cultural humility and the individual leadership behaviors that can move the needle on more humble organizational cultures. Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their tip jar:
Cultural Humility and Third-Culture Kids
Sep 25 2022
Cultural Humility and Third-Culture Kids
Julien and Ruchika Tulshyan discuss their shared experience of being third-culture kids and how that relates to the importance of cultural humility in the workplace. Adults and children who qualify as third-culture have a unique and sometimes incomplete experience of cultural identity formation. While they might struggle with feeling a sense of true belonging in whichever of their home cultures they’re in, they are often incredibly adept at building bridges across difference and demonstrating the kind of cultural humility that is required of inclusive leaders. DE&I initiatives and programs are now more geared than ever towards building a true sense of belonging for employees—cultural humility plays a role in achieving this elusive but critical human experience. We’re excited to welcome to the show Ruchika Tulshyan, the author of Inclusion on Purpose: An Intersectional Approach to Creating a Culture of Belonging at Work (MIT Press). She’s also the founder of Candour, an inclusion strategy practice. A former international business journalist, Ruchika is a regular contributor to The New York Times and Harvard Business Review. Ruchika co-wrote a paradigm-shifting article, Stop Telling Women They Have Imposter Syndrome for Harvard Business Review, with Jodi-Ann Burey. The article has over a million views, has been translated into multiple languages and is one of HBR.org's top most 100 read articles in history, as well as the top 3 articles for the publication in 2021. Best of all, people all over the world have said it helped change their relationship with the concept of imposter syndrome! Today we discuss: The perspective and power of third-culture kids.Why cultural humility is far more effective than cultural competence.“Measuring” cultural humility and the individual leadership behaviors that can move the needle on more humble organizational cultures. Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their tip jar:
The Evolution Of DEI In America and The Workplace
Sep 9 2022
The Evolution Of DEI In America and The Workplace
Today on the show, Julien and Bill Hawthorne discuss the evolution of diversity, equity, and inclusion in America and in the workplace. In recent years, the rise of the #MeToo, #BlackLivesMatter, #StopAAPIHate movements have forced Americans to reflect on the persistent social injustices in our country. The harsh and bitter truths of these inequities have repercussions in the corporate sphere. Companies are scrambling to implement effective DEI strategies and programming because employees and customers are demanding that companies abide by their stated values. Once considered to be a function of the human resources or talent departments, DEI has evolved into a core and strategic business function in which both large and small businesses are investing heavily.   We're excited to welcome to the show Bill Hawthorne, the former Senior Vice President (SVP) and Chief Diversity Officer (CDO) for Macy's, Inc., where he led a national and multi-functional team that created and operationalized a comprehensive diversity strategy for the company way back in 2006. He also served as Chief Equity Officer for the City of Atlanta in the Cabinet of the Mayor. Bill is also the co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer of Inclusent.   Bill Hawthorne is a nationally recognized C-suite level Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion thought leader. With over 15 years of successful experience developing and operationalizing effective strategies for the private and public sectors, his mission is to partner with organizations committed to achieving optimal success in the workplace and marketplace through Equity, Diversity and Inclusion. Today we discuss: The birth and evolution of DEI work in corporate America.Setting up and positioning Chief Diversity Officers (CDOs) for success.What gets us excited about the future of DEI work. Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their tip jar:
Avoiding Religious Bias In The Workplace
Aug 5 2022
Avoiding Religious Bias In The Workplace
Today on the show, Julien and Rahimeh Ramezany discuss and deconstruct the bias and lack of inclusivity that Muslim Americans experience. Together, they’ll explore and give context to the issues that marginalized religious groups face, identify ways to ensure more equitable access for Muslim Americans in predominantly non-Muslim spaces, and discuss other issues affecting her community. We're excited to welcome to the show Rahimeh Ramezany (she/her), a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) strategist, a champion of ADHD neurodivergence inclusion in the workplace, and the CEO of Rahimeh Ramezany Consulting. Rahimeh works with organizational leaders to educate them on avoiding religious bias in the workplace and creating a safe place for their neurodiverse internal stakeholders. In addition, she is a prolific educational content creator who can be found on both LinkedIn and Tik Tok.* Her experience as a visible minority tells her all too well what it's like to be marginalized and othered by a society that places a high value on white privilege and conformity rather than diversity and individuality. Rahimeh is a no-holds-barred advocate for the Muslim community. Still, most importantly, she is an educator who sits down with various agents of change to ally and support causes that affect all marginalized communities in America. Today we discuss: Kennedy v. Bremerton School District public school prayer decision and the response of the American Muslim community.The evolution of Muslim Americans’ experience of discrimination in the workplace.Demystifying Islam, points of commonality amongst belief systems, and making space for these discussions in the workplace. *Julien did go find Rahimeh on Tik Tok and he can confirm that she does in fact have LOTS of fun.     Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their tip jar:
Discussing Resilience and Strength with Lily Zheng
Jul 2 2022
Discussing Resilience and Strength with Lily Zheng
Today on the show, we discuss and celebrate the beauty and resilience of the LGBTQIA+ community. In the wake of recent decisions made by the Supreme Court, I sit down with a prolific author, change-maker, and advocate of the queer community to discuss issues that affect the trans community.   We’re excited to welcome to the show Lily Zheng (they/them), a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) strategist and consultant who works with organizational leaders to turn their positive intentions into positive impact. A dedicated change-maker and advocate, Lily was named a Forbes D&I Trailblazer. They were also named a 2021 DEI Influencer and Top Voice on Racial Equity. In addition, Lily’s writing and opinions have been featured in the Harvard Business Review, New York Times, and NPR.   They are the author of Gender Ambiguity in the Workplace (2017), The Ethical Sellout (2019), and most recently DEI Deconstructed: Your No-Nonsense Guide to Doing the Work and Doing it Right, which will be out in November 2022. Lily holds an MA in sociology and a BA in psychology from Stanford University.   Lily is widely recognized as an advocate and a force to be reckoned with. They continue to use their voice to discuss and promote further conversation on effective allyship and advocacy in the workplace. Today we discuss: Core characteristics that contribute to the resilience and strength of the trans and gender-diverse community;Why correct pronoun use is great but insufficient; andOur collective gender socialization, the limitations of the gendery binary, and hegemonic masculinity. Read Lily’s wonderfully generous LinkedIn post on advocacy and five critical questions for us to ask ourselves in socially tumultuous times. Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their tip jar: podcast is powered by Pinecast.
Disruptor In Residence, with Robert Baker
Jan 25 2022
Disruptor In Residence, with Robert Baker
Today on the show, we’re excited to have Robert Baker, the CEO of Potentia Talent Consulting Limited. There, Rob advises several companies on their approach to the D&I market. Rob has over 4 decades of disrupting the work culture for the betterment of historically disadvantaged employees. Prior to starting Potentia Talent Consulting Limited, Rob was with Mercer as the Leader of Diversity & Inclusion Consulting for the International Region. Prior to that, Rob spent some 15 years as a Global Client Relationship Director, managing and developing several large multinational clients across all Mercer's lines of business and geographies. He has been appointed "Disruptor in Residence" in Diversity & Inclusion at EDHEC Business School. Rob is also a Non-Executive Director of Spktral, the pay gap analysis specialists. He is also a Director of Aspierations CIC, which aims to help people with Asperger Syndrome or high functioning autism achieve employment and develop fulfilling careers. Rob and I have had the chance to do some great disruptive work together, and today we are going to discuss the following: Comparing the equipping of men as allies in the United Kingdom and the United States.The important things men must do before seeking allyshipWhite male privilege in corporate United Kingdom and work corporate leaders must do to create a fair, equal and inclusive environment. Connect with Chuck Hall Shelton at GreatheartConsulting.com and with Robert Baker at Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their Tip Jar: podcast is powered by Pinecast.
Jacquie Abram Shares her Personal Story Dealing with Systemic Racism in the Workplace
Sep 28 2021
Jacquie Abram Shares her Personal Story Dealing with Systemic Racism in the Workplace
Jacquie Abram had a career in higher education that she was very good at & that she enjoyed. A career that paid her an income, which as a single mother of two girls was the only income, that allowed her to not only provide for her family, but also pay her bills. A career that spanned nearly two decades & by any measure should’ve been a successful career. But it wasn’t. Because throughout her career, Jacquie experienced racism in the workplace, not the kind you see in a lot of movies, books, and TVs shows about racism that occurred decades ago during a time when it was more overt & easily spotted, but the kind of racism that is more covert, hidden, & harder to prove. And so her career was derailed multiple times by multiple employers & she suffered racial trauma that, to this day, she has not fully recovered from. And when the same thing happened to others including both of her girls after they began careers of their own, she pulled herself out of corporate America, wrote HUSH MONEY, a book inspired by true events & co-authored by her girls, & began selling it from the trunk of her car in March 2021 to provide employers with a better way to understand racism, provide employees with a better way to fight it & survive the battle, and provide allies with a better way to see and feel the FULL impact of modern-day racism . Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their Tip Jar: podcast is powered by Pinecast.
Are You Our Next Guest Host?
Sep 23 2021
Are You Our Next Guest Host?
Are you our next guest host? Thank you for your interest in the Inclusion Catalyst podcast. With your help we will continue to publish high-quality podcasts for people interested in Diversity, Equity, and Social Justice topics. But we want to be clear: Inclusion Catalyst is not looking for guests. We have changed our production focus and we ARE looking for people to GUEST HOST their own episodes. There are many ways we can work together to present your content. Our intent is to simply open the door for our peers across the sector to have some fun bringing their stories and expertise to a wider audience without having to invent an entire podcast from scratch. This means you can craft your own material and publish it as your own Inclusion Catalyst episode. Together, we’ll share an established audience. Inclusion Catalyst listeners remain engaged, and crave more content. You’ll have an opportunity to make real, personal connections with your listeners while you establish yourself as a thought leader in the diversity, inclusion, and social justice arena. If you’re an inclusivity consultant, Diversity & Inclusion professional, or a social justice advocate… If equity and accessibility are important to you… If you work in academia as a behavioral scientist or environmental scientist, we welcome you to join us as a Guest Host. We will help you wrangle one or more Inclusion Catalyst episodes. Creativity is the name of the game, and we welcome you to innovate. Got a guest you’ve always wanted to interview? Or maybe you have an associate who can interview you? Maybe you’d prefer to deliver a monologue similar to a Ted talk? We have spoken to one team of four consultants who are going to interview each other over coffee. Yet another team in Europe might bring a multi-episode profile of their programming. We are happy to help them spread awareness of their efforts. The possibilities are endless. Please follow the links on this page to learn more about the Guest Hosting process and how to contact Inclusion Catalyst. Again, thank you for your interest. We hope to hear from you soon. Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: Inclusion Catalyst by contributing to their Tip Jar: podcast is powered by Pinecast.