The powers that represent the yearning of the human race to move forward towards holism- carry seemingly other world characteristics that are actually demonstrated for us all in the natural order of cells found all around us. American author, spiritual leader, and political activist Marianne Williamstown engages with Ervin in a robust and exhilarating conversation on the departure from 20th-century combative models of thinking into a 21st-century transformation (1:49), the analogous relationship between immune cells and our natural spiritual intelligence (5:50), the need for death doulas and birth doula mindsets to aid humanity in the transition of our systems (9:20), our misrepresentation that spiritual growth will come easily without pain (14:07), and the definition of cosmic companionship (15:45).