Our guest, Marvin Oka is a strategic, international consultation with over 30 years experience leadership, strategy and culture. He uses applied neurobehavioral modelling to help understand and bring about organisational changes and transformations.

On our podcast, with Dr Nick Duck and Cam Hawker we discuss why some organisations never seem to change, even when the people start leaving. And then we discuss the conditions for real change, where the system itself changes.

Marvin runs coaching in this field with his programs that can be accessed at behaviouralmodelling.com