A Place Called Poarch

Poarch Creek Indians

"A Place Called Poarch" is a captivating podcast that dives deep into the heart of the Poarch Creek Indians, shedding light on its unique perspectives on Native issues. Each episode reveals the rich tapestry of history, culture, and tradition, intertwined with timely discussions on the challenges and triumphs faced by Indigenous communities. From Native history to contemporary debates, join us on this enlightening journey as we explore the depths of what it means to be a part of the Poarch Creek community in today's world. Subscribe now and become a part of the conversation. The Poarch Band of Creek Indians is the only federally recognized tribe in the state of Alabama. read less
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Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 4
Feb 16 2024
Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 4
Join us in this episode as Gregory McGhee sits down with us to delve into the intricacies of powwow etiquette and traditions. Greg shares his journey from a small town in Atmore, Alabama, to embracing his Native American heritage and participating in powwows. We discuss the significance of powwows as cultural gatherings, emphasizing the importance of respect for dancers, regalia, and traditions. The conversation explores the roles of emcees, arena directors, and head dancers, shedding light on the intense competitions and drum contests. The episode not only educates listeners about powwow customs but also highlights the importance of fellowship and respect within the powwow community![1:17] - Gregory shares some background information about himself.[3:33] - After attending an all-Indian university, Greg developed a deep appreciation for the community and traditions.[6:16] - Greg continues to learn from powwows even though he’s been to many.[7:59] - What is a powwow?[10:36] - Last year's 50th powwow marked a significant milestone, showcasing growth and community spirit.[12:18] - Greg emphasizes the importance of showing respect at powwows.[14:16] - Hear why Greg prefers the word “regalia” over “costume.”[17:11] - When in doubt, ask for permission respectfully; inquire about cultural aspects.[18:53] - Greg reiterates that respect and reverence are vital at powwows, especially during moments like eagle feather drops.[19:54] - Eagle whistles symbolize honor, granted for passion, with significant responsibilities.[21:03] - Greg adds that being whistled with an eagle signifies profound respect and fulfillment.[23:38] - What does the eagle whistle sound like?[25:49] - What are the responsibilities of an emcee?[28:48] - Greg explains the role of the arena director.[29:49] - What is the grand entry?[30:47] - The eagle symbolizes unity and strength in Native American culture.[33:24] - Greg discusses how flag songs unite tribes, honoring ancestors and preserving cultural legacies.[35:38] - The emcee guides the audience during the grand entry, emphasizing respect and participation.[37:17] - The arena area is reserved for dancers and families, with spectators using designated seating like bleachers.[39:28] - Learn about intertribal dances.[42:38] - Greg explains that the head man and head lady serve as lead dancers.[45:54] - Dance and drum contests at powwows can be incredibly intense and anxiety-inducing.[48:41] - Experienced judges select diverse dancers, ensuring fairness and competition integrity.[50:08] - Dancers are evaluated based on symmetry, rhythm, and movement consistency.[52:37] - The drum contest is an especially exciting aspect of the powwow.[54:49] - Drum contests involve distinct northern and southern styles.[57:48] - Drum contests' formats vary at different powwows, leading to intense judging and competition.[1:00:03] - Greg emphasizes that maintaining focus, especially during dance leads, is crucial.[1:02:58] - Greg has learned that a lot of vendors are willing to barter and/or trade.
Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 3
Feb 16 2024
Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 3
In this episode of our Native American Heritage Month series, we are so happy to welcome Alex Alvarez, an educator, artist, and seasoned powwow enthusiast. Alex shares his lifelong journey into the powwow tradition, tracing his roots back to his Creek heritage. Powwows, he explains, have been his sanctuary, a place of belonging and celebration of Native American culture. He describes the evolution of powwow drum contests, from modest prizes a decade ago to today's highly competitive events offering substantial cash rewards, and he emphasizes the importance of respect and tradition in powwows, from the structured patterns of drumming to the significance of tobacco offerings and the sacredness of the drum. Through insightful anecdotes and wisdom, Alex sheds light on the intricacies of powwow culture, revealing the heartwarming mentorship and mutual respect that keep this ancient tradition alive and thriving.[0:41] - Learn a little bit about Alex.[1:47] - What does Alex do for a living?[3:46] - Powwows embody evolving Native American culture, uniting diverse groups in celebration and adaptability.[4:56] - Hear about Alex's The Boys drum group which showcases evolving powwow styles.[8:21] - Alex breaks down the difference between southern style and northern style drumming.[11:28] - Traditional dances like chicken and grass emerged in the 1990s, diversifying powwow styles.[14:22] - Alex reveals who was in his group.[16:13] - Alex reflects on memorable moments from powwows in the early 2000s, including brainstorming amusing group names.[18:05] - Learn how the name "Medicine Tail,” inspired by a dream, was born, symbolizing cultural exploration beyond the reservation.[21:28] - Powwow songs follow a structured pattern, incorporating soloist leads, verse body, and breaks.[23:22] - Alex asserts that drums are the heartbeat of a powwow.[26:05] - Powwow singing expands to word songs, featuring diverse languages like Lakota, Cree, and Anishinaabe, showcasing cultural richness and creativity.[27:09] - Alex points out how important tempo is in powwow singing.[27:59] - Alex finds writing songs in Greek to be very difficult.[30:02] - Certain powwow groups incorporate women, not as drummers but as harmonizers.[33:59] - Alex argues that the cleanliness of the space is crucial in drum contests.[36:25] - Coordinating the Southern dance competition at the 2020 Gathering of Nations involved over 100 judges, requiring careful management.[37:39] - Being a head judge is a sacrifice, as it takes a lot of time away from family.[39:28] - Alex asserts that the role of a drum keeper demands adherence to strict rules and deep respect.[41:36] - Gratitude for drum groups is expressed through gestures like handshakes, photos, and placing offerings on drums.[44:13] - Learn about how offering tobacco to drum groups symbolizes respect and is a cherished tradition.[46:00] - What is the responsibility of the drum group?[48:31] - Learning to drum often begins young, passed through families or self-taught using recordings and online resources.[52:09] - Alex adds that nurturing youth drum groups ensures the vibrant future of the powwow tradition.[55:33] - In powwows, drummers share music, advice, and knowledge, fostering a supportive tradition.
Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 2
Feb 16 2024
Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 2
Join us today as we sit down with Mindy Jackson to delve into the fascinating world of the Princess Contest in the Poarch Creek Indian community. Mindy, a former participant herself, shares her insights on the evolution of the contest, shedding light on the rigorous preparations contestants undergo. From intricate traditional arts like patchwork and beadwork to mastering the Muskogee language, these young ambassadors dedicate themselves to representing their tribe. Mindy emphasizes the importance of family support and the cultural department's pivotal role in shaping these young leaders. Contrary to misconceptions, the Princess Contest isn't just a beauty pageant; it's a platform for preserving tribal heritage, fostering pride, and instilling a deep sense of cultural identity. Join us as we uncover the rich tapestry of tradition, talent, and tenacity that defines the Princess Contest in the Poarch Creek Indian community![0:38] - Mindy shares a little bit of background information about herself.[2:08] - What are the requirements for running for the Princess Contest?[2:53] - Mindy explains how one goes about applying for the contest.[5:08] - Traditional attire is dress, ribbons, apron, shawl, accessories, and moccasins.[5:56] - How are judges chosen?[8:36] - Contestants acquire valuable knowledge, including history, art, and Muskogee language.[10:42] - Mindy shares that contestants often connect and form deep bonds.[11:37] - What do the winners of the contest win?[12:55] - Mindy reflects on the purpose and importance of the competition.[14:27] - Ambassadors travel to powwows, representing their tribe, attending meetings, and promoting cultural heritage.[15:58] - Ambassadors network and build relationships.[16:18] - What are ambassadors expected to do the day of the contest?[17:27] - It is emphasized that the competition is not just a beauty contest.[19:45] - All aspects of attire are handmade.[21:33] - The culture department educates princesses on history, language, art, and traditional skills.[24:05] - Princesses uphold dignity, serve as role models, and represent the tribe.[27:48] - This tradition did not start until 1970, so it’s still relatively new.
Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 1
Feb 16 2024
Poarch Stories: Native American Heritage Month Part 1
Join us today as we sit down with Ding Ding, the planning and events coordinator for the tribe. We discuss the intricacies of planning the Poarch Creek powwow, shedding light on the behind-the-scenes efforts that make this event one of the largest powwows in the southeastern United States. Ding Ding also shares insights into the historical significance of the powwow, emphasizing its deep sentimental value and cultural importance to the Poarch Creek tribe. The conversation delves into the meticulous planning involved, from selecting head staff and organizing drawings to accommodating vendors and spectators. We also highlight the involvement of local churches, the challenges faced in preserving traditions, and the importance of intertribal relationships.[0:23] - Today’s guest is Ding Ding![1:07] - Ding Ding shares some background information about himself.[2:49] - Learn how the powwow holds deep sentimental value for Ding Ding.[4:15] - Preparations for the power event are meticulous, involving selecting staff and attracting participants with substantial prizes.[5:23] - What does Ding Ding look for in selecting head staff?[6:26] - Ding Ding feels that emcees don’t get enough credit for all the hard work that they do.[7:14] - November marks the rough start of event preparations, including ground setup, vendor spaces, and weather concerns.[8:04] - Hear about the process of building the new arena.[10:22] - The powwow dance area grew from a small spot behind the school to a large pavilion.[12:29] - The powwow upholds fairness, honoring effort and dedication regardless of participant numbers.[14:31] - Ding Ding discusses his support staff.[16:49] - Ding Ding talks about the importance of the police department maintaining order and the police department ensuring safety.[18:35] - Churches, while vital initially, face challenges but still support community events.[21:00] - Preserving traditions relies on youth motivation to ensure cultural continuity.[23:56] - Hear about how Houston and John Arthur McGee initiated the barbecue tradition, now carried by their grandsons.[26:20] - Ding Ding is expecting a lot of visitors this year.[26:39] - How does one go about setting up a booth?[29:39] - Ding Ding encourages us to visit the stall dance, experience Greek culture, and enjoy food and fun.[31:37] - What accommodations will there be for people with disabilities?[33:15] - Ding Ding offers some closing comments.
Poarch Stories: Consolidated Schoolhouse Part 2
Feb 16 2024
Poarch Stories: Consolidated Schoolhouse Part 2
In the 1940s, Escambia County opened the Poarch Consolidated School to provide Indian children with a "separate but equal" education.Today, Ethel Walker and Eloise Hall join hosts Billy Baily, Brandy Chunn and Blake Crook to continue the conversation about education in the Poarch Creek community.  The two women share stories about their experiences in the Poarch Consolidated School. They reminisce not only about their school but also their memories of growing up in the Poarch Creek Community.Time Stamps:[0:54] - The guests introduce themselves.[2:23] - Students of Poarch Consolidated School rode the school bus.[3:40] - Ethel and Eloise take listeners through a typical school day.[7:00] - Ethel reminisces about her admiration for her teachers.[10:02] - Education was important to Ethel and Eloise's families.[12:05] - Adults learned how to write, read and count money at the Sale Center in the Consolidated School.[14:00] - There was a playground at the school.[16:30] - Most students finished school.[18:00] - The ladies recount their favorite school memories.[19:19] - One time, the students got a surprise visit from Santa Claus[23:13] - There was no glass in the windows.[24:26] - Students learned how to make candles and soap.[25:50] - Once going to high school, Ethel experienced discrimination.[30:09] - Attending the Consolidated School was a good time.[33:30] - There were several creeks where people were baptized.[36:16] - New Home Church was a one room building.[42:50] - Ethel describes her childhood house.[44:11] - Eloise describes what healthcare was like.[48:00] - The ladies talk about their parents.[50:47] - The community helped each other out.[55:17] - The Poarch Creek community has grown over the years.
Poarch Stories: Consolidated Schoolhouse Part 1
Feb 16 2024
Poarch Stories: Consolidated Schoolhouse Part 1
Education is one of the most important things to the Poarch Creek people. But it wasn't always easy. Segregation and poverty were just two things the Poarch Creek people had to contend with as they strived for quality education.Today, Lori Sawyer joins hosts Billy Baily, Brandy Chunn, and Blake Crook to discuss the long and sometimes complicated history of education in the Poarch Creek community. We learn about how the Tribe's perseverance helped pave the way for students today.Time Stamps:[0:30] - Billy introduces his new co-hosts, Brandy Chunn and Blake Crook.[1:30] - Lori Sawyer introduces herself.[2:30] - Opening a museum for the Tribe wasn't easy.[5:10] - Using grant money, Lori helped research the history of education in the Poarch Creek community.[7:11] - In the 1930s, school missionaries Dr. Edward Macey, his wife Anna, and Reverend Edwin Van Edwards were shocked by the level of poverty within The Tribe.[10:09] - Lori describes how the Tribe's poverty wasn't accidental. [12:50] - Timber companies came into Poarch Creek land after the Civil War and began pushing them out.[16:20] - Jim Crow laws segregated Indian children from white children.[18:30] - Poarch Creek Schools date back to 1799.[21:20] - In the 1790s, white and Indian children went to school together in harmony.[24:04] - Lori details the Head of Perdido, Bell Creek and Poarch Switch communities and their locations.[28:05] - With lumber donations, Poarch Creek men built the schools.[29:30] - The Gibson and Poarch schools were the first designated Indian Schools.[30:06] - Partnering with the University of South Alabama, Lori and her team were able to locate the school in Bell Creek.[33:08] - Lori takes us on a "drive" touring each school, the first stop is the Head of Perdido school.[35:30] - Next stop is the Poarch Switch School.[37:30] - The third stop is the Bell Creek School.[40:50] - Lori talks about the condition of the schools.[42:53] - It wasn't common, but some Poarch children were able to go to Atmore to get a higher education.[44:00] - Fourth stop is Anna Macey's house.  [47:20] - The Maceys helped advocate for better education.[49:04] - The white house attached to St. Anna's is the first Indian School.[52:22] - Lori explains why the consolidated school opened.[54:30] - The county didn't provide much assistance for the schools.[57:00] - Reading, writing, and math were the primary subjects learned.[59:05] - In the 1940s, Poarch Creek parents sued the county over poor treatment at schools.[1:05:58] - Segregation wasn't as long ago as many people think.[1:08:30] - The first thing the Tribe did after getting federally recognized was ensure access to education.[1:11:04] - Lori has a message for current students.Hosts:Billy Bailey, Tribal Historic Preservation SpecialistBrandy Chunn, Museum CoordinatorBlake Crook, Museum Receptionist
A Place Called Poarch: USET Interview
Dec 4 2023
A Place Called Poarch: USET Interview
Join us this week as we discuss crucial issues concerning tribal lands, sovereignty, and property rights in Indian Country. Joined by Kitcki Carroll and Liz Malerba from the United South and Eastern Tribes (USET), the conversation sheds light on the complex challenges faced by U.S. tribal nations, particularly focusing on the importance of land for tribal communities. The discussion explores topics such as the significance of land in tribal governance, cultural preservation, economic development, and the inherent rights of indigenous peoples. Through insightful analysis and firsthand experiences, the episode emphasizes the need for accurate historical education, the recognition of tribal governments' sovereign status, and the collective commitment to fostering equity, justice, and meaningful collaboration between tribal nations and the United States.[0:06] - This podcast marks the first collaboration with another organization.[1:14] - Today’s guests introduce themselves and share some background information.[2:48] - Kitcki explains what USET is.[5:59] - USET advocates for national policies benefiting tribal nations, focusing on education and awareness.[9:08] - Why does land hold such importance to the USET tribes?[12:26] - Liz emphasizes reclamation without taking land from others.[15:51] - Kitcki advocates for full recognition of rights and unrestricted land use.[18:22] - Kitcki highlights the complexity of current quasi-sovereignty models.[19:34] - What is USET’s ultimate goal?[22:29] - Addressing systemic bias requires challenging narratives, educating about tribal nations' history and rights, and collectively fostering equity and justice.[24:32] - Liz and Kitcki counter biases in federal Indian policy through diplomacy, demanding change.[27:11] - Liz asserts that comparison between Holocaust Museum's to the Museum of the American Indian reveals U.S. struggles in acknowledging historical atrocities.[29:42] - Kitcki points out that USET’s uniqueness lies in its willingness to challenge long established narratives.[32:13] - Kitcki adds that a lack of accurate historical education interferes with meaningful conversations; reform and genuine discussions are necessary.[35:15] - It’s crucial that we properly educate future generations.[37:47] - Understanding the complex history can be daunting, but we need to aim for a future in which the U.S. fulfills its obligations to native people.[39:19] - USET advocates for diplomatic solutions, aiming for self-governance and recognition of rights in future generations.[42:57] - Liz argues that tribal land restoration is complex, involving surveys, federal guidelines, and bureaucratic hurdles.[45:40] - Land acquisition advocacy requires adequate federal funding; it's imperative to address funding gaps for tribal land restoration.[47:44] - Land restoration for tribal nations emphasizes resisting external interference and ensuring economic rebuilding opportunities.[51:52] - Land loss, especially sacred sites, poses challenges in balancing progress and preserving culture.[53:29] - One such challenge lies in pursuing progress and growth while preserving cultural identity.[56:59] - Liz adds that tribal nations face challenges in protecting sacred sites during infrastructure development.[58:37] - Federal agencies and archaeologists often dismiss the significance of sacred sites; it's important that we respect both cultural heritage and environmental concerns.[1:01:44] - Kitcki explains why understanding constitutional complexities and federal Indian law is...
Poarch Stories: The Churches That Made Poarch
Dec 16 2022
Poarch Stories: The Churches That Made Poarch
A Place Called Poarch - The Churches that Made PoarchFrom Baptist to Pentecostal to Episcopal, The Tribe has always had a strong connection to Christianity. Though the Poarch community was so small when all of these denominations got their start, they were still able to thrive. Their success was due, in part, to each denomination leader's willingness to allow the religion to adapt to the Poarch community's way of life.Today, we hear interviews from the 1970s between Reverend Mace McGhee and Dr. Anthony Paredes. Mace tells about the vibrant history of Christianity within the Poarch community.Time Stamps:[1:35] - We learn a brief history of Reverend Mace McGhee.[4:16] - The first Christian Church was Mars Hills Baptist Church in the 1800s. [10:00] - Baptist Churches came to Bell Creek first.[13:00] - We hear an old interview clip from 1972 where Mace talks about the Baptist Church.[15:00] - There were two Episcopal Churches brought to The Poarch community.[19:00] - Mace tells a story about being raised in the Episcopal Church.[23:45] - In the 1920s, the Holiness Church came to The Tribe when Brother Raymond Coon came.[28:50] - A Company owned land that they allowed the Episcopal Church to use.[32:00] - Mace tells us about some of the past Holiness Church pastors.[35:20] - There were many different denominations of the Holiness Church.[39:00] - The New Home Church has a long history. We hear Mace tell us.[42:23] - In the 1950s, The Poarch Community Church began as a Mennonite Church.[47:30] - Within the Mennonite Community, women were typically required to dress a certain way. But women in the Poarch Community didn't have resources to dress that way.[52:45] - Churches quickly learned they needed to adapt to the Indian way of life.Links:WebsiteFacebookInstagram
A Place Called Poarch: I Knew Who I Was: Interview with April Sells
Dec 9 2022
A Place Called Poarch: I Knew Who I Was: Interview with April Sells
A Place Called Poarch - Interview with April SellsEverybody has the right to be respected. That's what today's guest EMA Director, April Sells believes. This belief is what has made Emergency Services so successful over the years.April has been at Poarch for 35 years -- as long as some people have been here on this Earth. Through those years she has been selfless with her time and has given so much of herself to The Tribe. Today, she discusses her family history, the Princess Contest, her various jobs through the years and how she has navigated life not looking like a "stereotypical Indian".Time Stamps:[2:00] - We're introduced to April Sell and learn how she came back to The Tribe.[5:00] - April explains the evolution of The Princess Contest.[7:00] - The Sugar Shack was where all the young couples lived until they migrated to different homes.[9:00] - We learn about April's family history.[10:45] - April doesn't meet many people's stereotypical expectations of what an Indian looks like, she discusses how that affects her interactions with people. [14:30] - Throughout history, April's family thought they were the only Indians in the world.[17:30] - April was never ashamed of who she is and where she came from.[19:23] - Genetics don't care what you're supposed to be or what you're supposed to classify yourself as.[21:26] - Playing the role she did in the Princess Contest, April was a role model to many.[24:34] - Through the years, April has had a lot of different jobs.[28:15] - During Hurricane Ivan the Emergency Management System was developed.[29:14] - At one point, the Fire Department was made up of all women volunteers. [31:24] - Hurricane Ivan was devastating for many Native American tribes.[33:30] - We hear about some of the services the Fire Department has been able to provide that weren't always available.[40:00] - The pandemic had a huge impact on the Tribe.[43:18] - The Gym has been an invaluable place for children.[46:30] - April discusses how she was able to raise money for various youth sporting events.[50:19] - Being selfless and giving herself to The Tribe is a lesson April learned from her grandmother.[54:40] - We learn the origin of April's name.Links:WebsiteFacebookInstagram