Ursa Short Fiction

Deesha and Dawnie talk with Destiny O. Birdsong, author of the poetry collection Negotiations and the novel Nobody’s Magic. Last year, Birdsong published a short story, “The Jump,” only to have it pulled from publication less than a day later over disagreements with the editors. The story eventually found a new home at Roxane Gay’s newsletter, The Audacity. Birdsong talks about navigating censorship and what happens when writers and editors don’t see eye to eye, and they highlight the necessity of respect and support from editors and keeping the integrity of your work when finding a home for it. Birdsong also talks about the intersections of religion and queerness, the representation of queer sex and sex work in literature, and how she follows instinct when approaching her work. Support our show by becoming an Ursa Member: ursastory.com/join Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned Negotiations: Poems (Destiny O. Birdsong) Nobody’s Magic (Destiny O. Birdsong) “The Jump” (Destiny O. Birdsong, The Audacity 2024) Rick Hillis Roxane Gay Toi Derricotte “The Woman Shaping a Generation of Black Thought” (J Wortham,The New York Times, 2023) Watch List: Cross 48 Hours Insecure More from Deesha and Dawnie: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton Executive Producers: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producer: Marina Leigh Episode Editor: Kelly Araja About the Author Destiny O. Birdsong is the author of the poetry collection Negotiations (Tin House Books, 2020) and the triptych novel Nobody’s Magic (Grand Central, 2022), which was longlisted for the Center for Fiction’s First Novel Prize, was a finalist for the Ernest J. Gaines Award for Literary Excellence, and won the 2022 Willie Morris Award for Southern Fiction. She has served as a Writer-in-Residence for the Hurston/Wright Foundation and the University of Tennessee and is a contributing editor of Poets & Writers magazine. She is currently at work on a second novel and a collection of short stories. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

An Ursa Member Bonus! In a new recurring feature we call First Chapters, Dawnie and Deesha dig into the memorable opening chapter of Dawnie’s debut novel, The Final Revival of Opal & Nev. Dawnie talks about her journey to becoming a writer, as well as the process of this story coming to fruition. To listen to the full episode, become an Ursa Member in Apple Podcasts or at ursastory.com/join.  Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton)  Moonrise Over New Jessup (Jamila Minnicks) James Baldwin Daisy Jones & The Six (Taylor Jenkins Reid) Listening List: The Final Revival of Opal & Nev: Audiobook (Dawnie Walton) Grace Jones David Bowie Watch List: Almost Famous (2000) Summer of Soul (2021) Wattstax (1973) More from Deesha: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton Executive Producers: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producer: Marina Leigh Episode Editor: Kelly Araja Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha and Dawnie introduce an Ursa original production of “Snow Bath Season,” a short story written by Stacie Denetsosie, and performed by Nasheen Sleuth. This story is about Diana, a young Navajo woman whose late mother is communicating with her via an Amazon Alexa device.  Denetsosie juxtaposes modern technology with Navajo tradition in compelling ways, while also writing into grief, love, and mother-daughter relationships through humor and bizarre circumstances. “Snow Bath Season” is from Denetsosie’s debut collection, The Missing Morningstar, published by Torrey House Press. Stay tuned after the story to hear from Stacie Denetsosie herself. Support our work at Ursa with a one-time contribution: ursastory.com/join Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned The Missing Morningstar: And Other Stories (Stacie Shannon Denetsosie, Torrey House Press, 2023) Crooked Hallelujah (Kelli Jo Ford) “I Give You Back” (Joy Harjo) Woman of Light (Kali Fajardo-Anstine) Julia Alvarez More from Deesha and Dawnie: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton “Snow Bath Season” written by Stacie Denetsosie  Performed by Nasheen Sleuth Interview by Marina Leigh  Executive Producers: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producers: Marina Leigh & Ashawnta Jackson Episode Editor: Kelly Araja Special thanks to Cleyvis Natera Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha and Dawnie sit down with their own agents, Danielle Chiotti and PJ Mark, to chat about the publishing industry. What does it mean to be a white agent representing authors of color? What are the gold standards for blurbing? Where are the best places to find an agent and what are some common red flags with scammy “agents”? They discuss the significance of the agent-author connection, the questions that an author should ask of a potential agent, as well as what makes an agent say “hell yes” to a pitched book.  To hear the full episode, become an Ursa Member in Apple Podcasts or at ursastory.com/join.  Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned Brian Broome Nicole D. Collier Tyriek White Joseph Earl Thomas Eileen Myles In West Mills (De’Shawn Charles Winslow) Decent People (De’Shawn Charles Winslow) Co-Parenting 101 (Deesha Philyaw and Michael D. Thomas) The Ones Who Don’t Say They Love You (Maurice Carlos Ruffin) More from Deesha and Dawnie: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton Executive Producers: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producer: Marina Leigh Episode Editor: Kelly Araja Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha and Dawnie chat with Rion Amilcar Scott, sharing stories, craft advice, 90’s hip-hop references, and how experience as parents, as teachers, and as lovers of music can inform the writing process.  They discuss their reactions to elements of their work playing out in real life, and call for not forgetting the joys and humor of the Black experience that coincides with the tragedies. Rion talks about his generative and drafting process—his beginnings and endings, the structure and limitations of flash and short fiction, the revision process, and his playfulness and improvisation as an approach to the work.  Support our show by becoming an Ursa Member: ursastory.com/join Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned The World Doesn’t Require You (Rion Amilcar Scott) Insurrections (Rion Amilcar Scott) August Wilson “The N****r Knockers” (Rion Amilcar Scott, Tyrant Books, 2017) “Percy And The Fire Plums” (Rion Amilcar Scott, McSweeney’s 64: The Audio Issue) Heavy (Kiese Laymon) The Sellout (Paul Beatty) Percival Everett Mark Twain Heads of the Colored People (Nafissa Thompson-Spires) Walking on Cowrie Shells (Nana Nkweti) “David Sherman, The Last Son of God” (Rion Amilcar Scott, Midnight Breakfast, Issue 8) Eugenia Tsutsumi Rising of a Legend (Review by Jessica Sequeira, berfrois, 2016) “Special Topics in Loneliness Studies” (Story from The World Doesn’t Require You by Rion Amilcar Scott) “A Loudness of Screechers” (Rion Amilcar Scott, Barrelhouse) Edward P. Jones Ernest Hemingway “Klan” (Story from Insurrections by Rion Amilcar Scott) Poets and Writers To Sir, With Love (E.R. Braithwaite) Between The World And Me (Ta-Nehisi Coates) Night of the Living Rez (Morgan Talty) Go Ahead in the Rain: Notes to A Tribe Called Quest (Hanif Abdurraqib) Mitchell S. Jackson The Invisible Man (H.G. Wells) The Women of Brewster Place (Gloria Naylor) Winesburg, Ohio (Sherwood Anderson) Miguel Street (V.S. Naipaul) Drinking Coffee Elsewhere (ZZ Packer) Before You Suffocate Your Own Fool Self (Danielle Evans) Sula (Toni Morrison) Listening List: “Foe Life” (Mack 10) Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik (Outkast) “One More Chance” (The Notorious B.I.G.) “Triumph” (Wu-Tang Clan ft. Cappadonna; special shoutout to Inspectah Deck’s opening verse) “The End” (The Doors) “Riders on the Storm” (The Doors) “Winter Warz” (Wu-Tang Clan; special shoutout to Cappadonna’s verse) A Tribe Called Quest “Straight Outta Compton” (N.W.A.) Rakim GZA Chuck D Andre 3000 “Name Callin’ Pt. 1” (Queen Latifah) “Talk to Me” (Foxy Brown) E-40 Kendrick Lamar Books Are Pop Culture (Reggie Bailey and Akili Nzuri) More from Deesha and Dawnie: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton Executive Producers: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, Mark Armstrong Associate Producer: Marina Leigh Episode Editor: Kelly Araja Author Bio: Rion Amilcar Scott is the author of the story collections The World Doesn’t Require You and Insurrections, which was awarded the 2017 PEN/Bingham Prize for Debut Fiction and the 2017 Hillsdale Award from the Fellowship of Southern Writers. He teaches creative writing at the University of Maryland, College Park. His work has appeared in The New Yorker, The Kenyon Review, and Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2020, among other publications. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

In this special Member Exclusive episode, Deesha and Dawnie kick off a recurring feature we call Iconic Stories — starting with James Baldwin’s ‘Sonny’s Blues,’ first published in 1957 in the Partisan Review.  They discuss the prevalent themes of family and brotherhood, loss, drug addiction, and music, as well as the broader social and political contexts of Baldwin’s fiction and nonfiction.  Deesha Philyaw: “James Baldwin is the writer that made me want to be a writer.” To get access to the full episode, become an Ursa Member: ursastory.com/join Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned “Sonny’s Blues” (James Baldwin) Going To Meet The Man (James Baldwin) Daddy Was A Number Runner (Louise Meriwether) Go Tell It On The Mountain (James Baldwin) If Beale Street Could Talk (James Baldwin) Between The World And Me (Ta-Nehisi Coates) The Fire Next Time (James Baldwin) “Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been?” (Joyce Carol Oates) Toni Morrison His Name Is George Floyd (Robert Samuels and Toluse Olorunnipa Listening List: Charlie Parker More from Deesha and Dawnie: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton Executive Producers: Deesha Philyaw, Dawnie Walton, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producer: Marina Leigh Episode Editor: Kelly Araja Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha and Dawnie introduce an Ursa original audio production of “Telling Stories” by T.E. Wilderson, published in The Account magazine in 2021, and narrated by Jordan Cobb.  Eighth grader, P’Mona, is sarcastic, witty, and a pathological liar. Taking place over the course of a day, the story follows P’Mona attempting to simultaneously navigate the world and cope with a difficult home life.  Be sure to stick around at the end of the story to hear from T.E. Wilderson in her own words, discussing the themes of the story, her advice to writers, and her inspirations for “Telling Stories” and the character of P’Mona. Support Our Show with a contribution: ursastory.com/join Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned “Telling Stories” (The Account magazine) T.E. Wilderson Publications More from Deesha and Dawnie: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton Story performed by Jordan Cobb Author interview by Marina Leigh Executive Producers: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producers: Marina Leigh & Ashawnta Jackson  Episode Editor: Kelly Araja About the Author T. E. Wilderson is a New Orleans-born, African American writer, editor, and teaching artist currently living in the Midwest. Her short stories have appeared in F(r)iction, Notre Dame Review, Roanoke Review, Crack the Spine Anthology XVII, The Louisville Review, The Tishman Review, Still: The Journal, Cobalt Weekly, The Account: A Journal of Prose, Poetry, and Thought, and Coolest American Stories 2023, among others. She holds an MFA in creative writing from Spalding University and is a 2019 McKnight Foundation Writing Fellow. About the Narrator Jordan Cobb is a New York City-based writer and actress, with a focus on live stage and voiceover. Her work spans fiction podcasts such as Bloody Disgusting's Dead Space: Deep Cover and No Such Thing Production's Primordial Deep, to bestselling audiobooks like Kalynn Bayron's This Poison Heart and Tigest Girma's Immortal Dark. For more information, visit jordanvcobb.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

In the spirit of Halloween, Deesha and Dawnie dig into thrillers, mysteries, and suspense with acclaimed crime fiction writer S.A. Cosby, author of the New York Times bestseller Razorblade Tears and Blacktop Wasteland, and the forthcoming novel, King of Ashes.  Cosby talks about his early inspirations in the horror and suspense genres, and he explains how he began to use genre to craft stories that reflected his own experiences as a Black writer from the South. Cosby also offers advice to emerging writers and helps demystify the publication process, as co-editor of The Best American Mystery and Suspense 2024 anthology.   Support our show: ursastory.com/join Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned Razorblade Tears (S.A. Cosby) Blacktop Wasteland (S.A. Cosby) The Best American Mystery and Suspense 2024 (co-edited by S.A. Cosby and Steph Cha) Heaven (First Book in Casteel Series) (V.C. Andrews) Gabino Iglesias Catriona Ward Bunnicula (James and Deborah Howe) The Celery Stalks At Midnight (James and Deborah Howe) Goosebumps (series) (R.L. Stine) “The Tell-Tale Heart” (Edgar Allan Poe) The Hardy Boys (series) (Franklin W. Dixon) The Three Investigators (series) (Robert Arthur Jr. and Mary Virginia Carey) “The Black Cat” (Edgar Allan Poe, Poe Stories, originally published 1845) “The Cask of Amontillado” (Edgar Allan Poe) Encyclopedia Brown (series) (Donald J. Sobol) Carrie (Stephen King) “The Animal Fair” (Robert Bloch) Clark Ashton Smith Algernon Blackwood ‘Salem’s Lot (Stephen King) A Thousand Acres (Jane Smiley) “King Lear” (William Shakespeare) Before The Mango Ripens (Afabwaje Kurian) The Human Stain (Philip Roth) Red Dragon (Thomas Harris) Thuglit Steph Cha “The Funeral Suit” (Bobby Mathews, Frontier Tales, 2023) “My Savage Year” (Jordan Harper, Southwest Review, Volume 108 Number 3) “Like Babies Crying in the Dark” (S.A. Cosby, Southwest Review, Volume 108 Number 3) “Welcome to the Hammer Party” (Jordan Harper Newsletter) “Scorpions” (Nick Kolakowski) “Just A Girl” (Alyssa Cole) “Slant-Six” (S.A. Cosby) Megan Abbott It (Stephen King) The Dead Zone (Stephen King) All The Sinners Bleed (S.A. Cosby) Kellye Garrett Toni Morrison  Robert Jones Jr. Jack London Dennis Lehane Ernest J. Gaines Alice Walker King of Ashes (S.A. Cosby) The Godfather (Mario Puzo) W. Somerset Maugham Nikki Dolson Watchmen (Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons) The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Alan Moore and Kevin O’Neill) James Baldwin Chester Himes Phillis Wheatley Donald Goines Richard Wright Claude McKay Langston Hughes Listening List: Born To Run (Bruce Springsteen) Watch List: 3:10 to Yuma (2007) American Masters: John Hammond: From Bessie Smith to Bruce Springsteen 1991  S.A. Cosby on The Daily Show (2023) White Lightning (1973) Rolling Thunder (1977) True Detective More from Deesha and Dawnie: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced by Ursa Story Company  Hosted by Deesha Philyaw & Dawnie Walton Executive Producers: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producer: Marina Leigh Episode Editor: Kelly Araja About the Author  S. A. Cosby is an Anthony Award-winning writer from Southeastern Virginia. He is the author of the New York Times bestseller Razorblade Tears and Blacktop Wasteland, which won the Los Angeles Times Book Prize, was a New York Times Notable Book, and was named a best book of the year by NPR, The Guardian, and Library Journal, among others. When not writing, he is an avid hiker and chess player. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

We're back! Dawnie Walton and Deesha Philyaw give us a special sneak preview of what's in store for Season Three. Show notes: Support this season with a membership or one-time contribution, and get access to bonus episodes: ursastory.com/join Follow our other show, Reckon True Stories with Deesha Philyaw and Kiese Laymon. Read more about Dawnie Walton's next novel! Contact us via email: hello@ursastory.com Produced by: Dawnie Walton, Deesha Philyaw, and Mark Armstrong Associate Producer: Marina Leigh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Dawnie Walton and Deesha Philyaw introduce us to Reckon True Stories, a brand new podcast hosted by Deesha and acclaimed author Kiese Laymon, dedicated to all things nonfiction. Listen, then follow the show in your favorite podcast so you don't miss an episode: https://link.chtbl.com/truestories Guests for Season One include writers Roxane Gay, Imani Perry, Alexander Chee, Minda Honey, Hanif Abdurraqib, and Samantha Irby. Produced in partnership with Reckon. We'll also have more episodes of Ursa Short Fiction coming this fall! Sign up for email updates: https://ursastory.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

While we put the final touches on Season Three, we wanted to share an episode from another podcast that we think you’ll love: Black & Published, hosted by Nikesha Elise Williams.  On today’s episode, Nikesha’s guest is Dolen Perkins-Valdez, author of the historical fiction novel TAKE MY HAND. It's a story based on the real-life Relf sisters of Montgomery, Alabama, who were forcibly sterilized by the workers of a federal family planning clinic in 1973. Subscribe to listen to more episodes from the latest season of Black & Published:  https://blackpublished.buzzsprout.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Thanks to our guests, contributors, and listeners for a wonderful second season! Help us fund Season Three of Ursa Short Fiction by becoming an Ursa Member:  https://ursastory.com/join/ You can also make a one-time contribution to help fund future episodes.  We’ll be back very soon — get email updates by signing up for our newsletter: https://ursastory.com/newsletter/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha and Dawnie chat with Denne Michele Norris, editor-in-chief of Electric Literature and author of the forthcoming debut novel, When The Harvest Comes (Random House). She is also the first Black, openly trans woman to helm a major literary publication. Norris discusses her approaches to both writing and editing, sharing insights for writers on working with editors. She also talks about the ways different genres — from fiction to essay to memoir — all require their own approaches. Norris asks questions of herself and of the work, aiming to edit “ethically and responsibly and [tell] a beautiful story.” Support our show by becoming an Ursa Member: ursastory.com/join Reading List: Stories and Writers Mentioned Denne Michele Norris McSweeney's 62: The Queer Fiction Issue Food 4 Thot Podcast "An Almanac of Bones" (Dantiel W. Moniz) The Bluest Eye (Toni Morrison) Everyday People: The Color of Life Anthology (edited by Jennifer Baker)  "Daddy's Boy" (Denne Michele Norris) Jade Jones Going To Meet The Man (James Baldwin) Friday Black (Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah) Milk Blood Heat (Dantiel W. Moniz) The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) What It Means When A Man Falls From The Sky (Lesley Nneka Arimah) Difficult Women (Roxane Gay) About the Author  Denne Michele Norris is the editor-in-chief of Electric Literature, winner of the 2022 Whiting Digital Literary Magazine Prize, where she is the first Black, openly trans woman to helm a major literary publication. A 2021 Out100 Honoree, her writing has been supported by MacDowell, Tin House, VCCA, and the Kimbilio Center for African American Fiction, and appears in McSweeney's, American Short Fiction, and ZORA. She co-hosts the critically acclaimed podcast Food 4 Thot, and mentors emerging writers of color with The Periplus Collective. Her debut novel, When The Harvest Comes, is forthcoming from Random House.  More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) *** Associate producer: Marina Leigh Episode editor: Kelly Araja Executive producers: Dawnie Walton & Mark Armstrong Author photo: Hilary Leichter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

This week we’re excited to share a very special episode of Ursa Short Fiction — a Member Exclusive where Dawnie Walton chats with Deesha Philyaw about this week’s big news: Deesha has just signed a seven-figure book deal with Mariner Books for a new novel, THE TRUE CONFESSIONS OF FIRST LADY FREEMAN, and short story collection, GIRL, LOOK. The novel is due out in 2025.  Enjoy this free teaser from our Member Exclusive episode. To access the full episode, become an Ursa Member: ursastory.com/join.   Links Author Deesha Philyaw has a 7-figure deal for her next two books (Associated Press)  “Back Then” (Mike Jones) Peach Pit: Sixteen Stories of Unsavory Women (anthology edited by Molly Llewellyn and Kristel Buckley) Mariner Books Rakia Clark Punch Me Up to the Gods (Brian Broome)  More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) Produced & edited by Mark Armstrong Associate producer: Marina Leigh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha and Dawnie introduce “What Got Into Us,” a short story by Jacob Guajardo, performed by Vicki Valdeon. The story is a candid look into queer adolescence, first loves, recklessness, and unbridled vulnerability. It was originally published in Passages North, and featured in The Best American Short Stories 2018. Listen to the story, then stay tuned at the end for Guajardo in his own words, sharing how the story came together, and how he approaches the writing process. Support our show and help fund future episodes: https://ursastory.com/join/ Reading List: Stories and Writers Mentioned The Best American Short Stories 2018 (edited by Roxane Gay) “I Only Did What Anyone Would Have Done” (Jacob Guajardo) “Moonmilk” (Jacob Guajardo) “Widowers” (Jacob Guajardo) “Good News Is Coming” (Jacob Guajardo) “The Seminar” (Jacob Guajardo) “Two Queens Walk Out Of A Bar” (Jacob Guajardo) Amy Hempel Ocean Vuong Garth Greenwell About the Author Jacob Guajardo lives and writes in Grand Rapids, Michigan. His fiction appears in The Best American Short Stories 2018 and Small Odysseys: Selected Shorts Presents 35 New Stories, among other publications. He is the recipient of the 2020 Robert Maxwell Fellowship from MacDowell. He works from home as a Narrative Designer. More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) *** Performed by Vicki Valdeon Associate producers: Marina Leigh, Ashawnta Jackson Executive producers: Dawnie Walton & Mark Armstrong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton go in-depth with Rubén Degollado, author of the novel The Family Izquierdo, which started out as a short story collection about a single family. Degollado's story “The Seven Songs” was featured on last week’s episode, and he discusses his journey to writing and publishing the book, as well as how he navigated his writing journey alongside his career as an educator. He first started writing the Izquierdo family stories in the late '90s, eventually developing the family curse and tensions, and playing with point of view to inhabit the lives of the many family members. Support Ursa Short Fiction! Become a Member: https://ursastory.com/join/ Degollado aims to represent his own family, experiences, and community through The Family Izquierdo, and he quotes Toni Morrison, who said “if there's a book that you want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it.” “A lot of the stories I read were about immigrants, and I think those are great stories. I love immigrant stories, but that’s not what I wanted to write. I wanted to write about what happens after. What happens post immigration.”If you haven't already, be sure to listen to last week's episode featuring Degollado's story, “The Seven Songs.” Reading List "The Seven Songs" by Rubén Degollado (Ursa Short Fiction, Season Two, Episode 15) The Family Izquierdo (W. W. Norton) The Family Izquierdo audiobook (Blackstone Publishing / Downpour.com) The Bluest Eye (Toni Morrison) Throw (Rubén Degollado) "A Temporary Matter" (Jhumpa Lahiri) Drinking Coffee Elsewhere (ZZ Packer) Interpreter of Maladies (Jhumpa Lahiri) Sabrina & Corina: Stories (Kali Fajardo-Anstine) The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The World Doesn't Require You (Rion Amilcar Scott) Brownsville (Oscar Casares) Maurice Carlos Ruffin About the Author Rubén Degollado’s work has recently appeared in Literary Hub, CRAFT, The Common, and elsewhere. His novel Throw won the Texas Institute of Letters Best Young Adult book for 2020. His debut literary novel The Family Izquierdo is a long list title for the PEN/Faulkner Award and the Mark Twain American Voice in Literature Award. Rubén lives and writes along the southern border, in the Río Grande Valley of Texas. More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) *** Episode editor: Kelly Araja Associate producer: Marina Leigh Producer: Mark Armstrong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

This week we're thrilled to feature “The Seven Songs,” by Rubén Degollado, from his novel, The Family Izquierdo. The story is performed by Carolina Hoyos and is excerpted from The Family Izquierdo audiobook, produced by Blackstone Publishing. Our thanks to them for sharing this story with Ursa listeners. In “The Seven Songs,” Dina, the daughter of Izquierdo family patriarch Octavio, tells her daughters about her encounter with a neighbor, Contreras, who put a curse on the Izquierdo family.  Dina notes the strength, not just of God, but of all the women in the family, in myths, and in music that guide and encourage her to face the enemy. The Family Izquierdo follows what binds the generations together in the family — the love as well as the curse — and in “The Seven Songs” Dina seeks out Contreras to free her family and herself from the family curse. “No, I did not go to church, mis hijas. I had to go into the enemy’s camp. The place of evil and idolatry. Of greed and charlatans. That den of vipers where I knew I would find the brujo contreras. We went to the flea market.”Listen to the story, then come back next week for Deesha and Dawnie's conversation with Rubén Degollado. Support our work by becoming an Ursa Member: https://ursastory.com/join/ Reading List The Family Izquierdo (Rubén Degollado) The Family Izquierdo audiobook (Downpour.com) Throw (Rubén Degollado) More Rubén Degollado short stories About the Author Rubén Degollado’s work has recently appeared in Literary Hub, CRAFT, The Common, and elsewhere. His novel Throw won the Texas Institute of Letters Best Young Adult book for 2020. His debut literary novel The Family Izquierdo is a long list title for the PEN/Faulkner Award and the Mark Twain American Voice in Literature Award. Rubén lives and writes along the southern border, in the Río Grande Valley of Texas. More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) *** Episode editor: Kelly Araja Associate producer: Marina Leigh Audio excerpted courtesy Blackstone Publishing from THE FAMILY IZQUIERDO by Rubén Degollado, excerpt read by Carolina Hoyos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton go deep with Nafissa Thompson-Spires, author of the beloved 2018 collection Heads of the Colored People, to discuss Heads’ origin, the texts and other media that influenced Thompson-Spires, inspirations for her stories and characters in the collection, and their shared love for the Notes app. Thompson-Spires is candid about her upbringing in California and her own family, and how those experiences have shaped her work in terms of characters, autobiographical-leaning-but-fictionalized events, and even her ideas of place and the ways that racism persists in different ways in different parts of the country. Support this show by becoming an Ursa Member: https://ursastory.com/join/ Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned Heads of the Colored People (Nafissa Thompson-Spires) Mat Johnson The Guardian Interview with Nafissa Thompson-Spires Mark Anthony Neal Victor LaValle Paul Beatty Shirley Jackson Flannery O'Connor George Schuyler Ishmael Reed James McCune Smith Frances Ellen Watkins Harper Solmaz Sharif Sandeep Parmar Charles Dickens Hacks Reservation Dogs Lot (Bryan Washington) Milk Blood Heat (Dantiel W. Moniz) The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) Seeking Fortune Elsewhere (Sindya Bhanoo) Mary Tyler Moore Theme Song 'Alright' (Kendrick Lamar) Denne Michele Norris About the Author  Nafissa Thompson-Spires wrote Heads of the Colored People, which won the PEN Open Book Award, the Hurston/Wright Award for Fiction, and the Los Angeles Times’s Art Siedenbaum Award for First Fiction. Her collection was longlisted for the National Book Award, the PEN/ Robert W. Bingham Award, and several other prizes. She also won a 2019 Whiting Award. She earned a PhD in English from ­­­­Vanderbilt University and an MFA in Creative Writing from ­­­­­­the University of Illinois. Her work has appeared in The Paris Review Daily, The Cut, The Root, Ploughshares, 400 Souls, and The 1619 Project, among other publications. New writing is forthcoming in Fourteen Days, edited by Margaret Atwood. She’s currently the Richards Family Assistant Professor of Creative Writing at Cornell University. More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) *** Episode editor: Kelly Araja Associate producer: Marina Leigh Producer: Mark Armstrong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha and Dawnie chat with Jonathan Escoffery, author of last week's audio story, "Under the Ackee Tree," from his acclaimed collection and audiobook, If I Survive You. The linked stories follow Trelawny, a second generation Jamaican American, as he struggles through family tensions, cultural and historical loss and reclamation, and exploration of identity.  Escoffery talks about his collection and how it came to be—the process of developing characters, tensions, and narrative threads, as well as constructing a complicated family with conflicting generational perspectives on agency, culture, and legacy.  Support Ursa Short Fiction by becoming a member: https://ursastory.com/join/ Reading List: Authors, Stories, and Books Mentioned "Under the Ackee Tree" (Ursa Short Fiction, Season Two, Episode 12) If I Survive You (Jonathan Escoffery) If I Survive You audiobook (Audible) Jesus' Son (Denis Johnson) We the Animals (Justin Torres) About the Author  Jonathan Escoffery is the author of the linked story collection, If I Survive You, a New York Times  and Booklist Editor’s Choice, an IndieNext Pick, and a National Bestseller. If I Survive You was longlisted for the National Book Award, the PEN/Jean Stein Book Award, the PEN/ Robert W. Bingham Prize For Debut Short Story Collection, the Andrew Carnegie Medal for Excellence, the Aspen Words Literary Prize, and the Story Prize, and was shortlisted for the PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction and the National Book Critics Circle’s John Leonard Prize. It was named a ‘best’ book by The New Yorker, The New York Times, NPR, Entertainment Weekly, People, TIME, Oprah Daily, GQ, and elsewhere. In 2020, Jonathan received the Paris Review’s Plimpton Prize for Fiction and a National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship. He was a 2021-2023 Stegner Fellow at Stanford University. More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) *** Episode editor: Kelly Araja Associate producer: Marina Leigh Producer: Mark Armstrong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join

Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton introduce “Under the Ackee Tree,” a story by Jonathan Escoffery from his acclaimed 2022 collection, If I Survive You. The story is performed by Torian Brackett, and it comes from the collection's audiobook, produced by Macmillan Audio. Our thanks to Macmillan for sharing the story with Ursa's listeners. This story follows Topper, a Jamaican immigrant who has fled the political violence in Kingston and moved his family to Miami to raise his two sons. “Under the Ackee Tree” is a narrative of leaving and of loss, of destruction and rebuilding, and of the ways we disappoint as partners, as parents, and as children.  Support our show by becoming an Ursa Member: https://ursastory.com/join/ Reading List If I Survive You, by Jonathan Escoffery (MCD) If I Survive You audiobook (Audible) Jonathan Escoffery Publications Jonathan Escoffery Interviews About the Author  Jonathan Escoffery is the author of the linked story collection, If I Survive You, a New York Times and Booklist Editor’s Choice, an IndieNext Pick, and a National Bestseller. If I Survive You was longlisted for the National Book Award, the PEN/Jean Stein Book Award, the PEN/ Robert W. Bingham Prize For Debut Short Story Collection, the Andrew Carnegie Medal for Excellence, the Aspen Words Literary Prize, and the Story Prize, and was shortlisted for the PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction and the National Book Critics Circle’s John Leonard Prize. It was named a ‘best’ book by The New Yorker, The New York Times, NPR, Entertainment Weekly, People, TIME, Oprah Daily, GQ, and elsewhere. In 2020, Jonathan received the Paris Review’s Plimpton Prize for Fiction and a National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship. He was a 2021-2023 Stegner Fellow at Stanford University. More from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: The Secret Lives of Church Ladies (Deesha Philyaw) The Final Revival of Opal & Nev (Dawnie Walton) *** Performed by Torian Brackett Episode editor: Kelly Araja Associate producer: Marina Leigh Music: “Biosphere” by Yotam Agam Audio excerpt courtesy Macmillan Audio, from IF I SURVIVE YOU by Jonathan Escoffery, read by Torian Brackett. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://ursastory.com/join