How can we make sense of the things in life that feel absurd? Murray Warburton (animator, editor, and filmmaker) chats with Kevin about how he's striving to tell an animated story about the war in Ukraine based on his experience being in a relationship with his girlfriend, who is from Ukraine. Murray and Kevin also discuss how difficult situations can lead to personal growth. *Murray's animation about Ukraine is now shifting into a different project concerning Ukraine. *This episode was initially recorded on April 30th, 2022.

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Book - A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders