With Donald Trump out of the White House, attention now shifts to how Europe and the United States continue their relationship.

But just because there's a new man in the White House, does that mean all wounds are healed, and that both sides are ready to work together to create a new world order? Or will Europe, now it's had a taste of true transatlantic independence, be ready to tread its own path going forward?

On this edition of the Agenda podcast with Stephen Cole we speak to Allie Renison, the Institute of Directors’ head of Europe and trade policy, and former Italian Treasury chief economist Lorenzo Codogno. They warn that while the style of the Biden White House may be very different from that under Trump, the substance may not actually be that different when it comes to dealing with Europe.

We also talk to Michael O'Hanlon, director of foreign policy research at Brookings Institution, to discuss the future of European defence and NATO [14:23].