Marketing Against The Grain

Hubspot Podcast Network

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Zapier’s CMO), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas. read less
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Why Google Is NOT Dead & How To Dominate Ai-Driven Search ft. Ethan Smith
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Why Google Is NOT Dead & How To Dominate Ai-Driven Search ft. Ethan Smith
Ep. 219 Is Google really at risk of becoming obsolete in the age of AI-driven search? Ethan Smith’s answer may surprise you. Kipp, Kieran and Ethan Smith (Graphite) dive into the Ai revolution and its impact on search marketing and SEO practices. Learn more about the adaptability of Google's Adwords model in the Ai era, and the tactics for dominating Ai-driven search through strategic content creation. Mentions Graphite https://graphite.io/ Quora https://www.quora.com/ Google AdWords https://ads.google.com/ We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
Everything You Need To Know To Grow A Startup In 2024 w/ Jason Lemkin
Apr 16 2024
Everything You Need To Know To Grow A Startup In 2024 w/ Jason Lemkin
Ep. 217 Are marketing budgets going to go up? Is product marketing a waste of time?  Kipp and Kieran with guest Jason Lemkin (CEO of SaaStr) dive into brand marketing. Learn more on leveraging AI and product-led growth for market dominance, the critical impact of early results in a sales cycle for gauging success, and the nuanced art of aligning marketing strategies with your company's unique DNA for unbeatable brand resonance.. Mentions SaaStr https://www.saastr.com/ Owner.com https://www.owner.com/ Opus Clip https://www.opus.pro/ Intuit https://www.intuit.com/ We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
Matt Wolfe Ranks The Best AI Tools For Marketers In 2024
Apr 9 2024
Matt Wolfe Ranks The Best AI Tools For Marketers In 2024
Ep. 215 What are the hottest and most important Ai apps to use in your marketing today? Kipp and guest Matt Wolfe (entrepreneur and YouTuber) dive into the intricate world of AI marketing tools, exploring what it means to effectively integrate AI into your toolkit. Learn more about how Hume can decipher the subtleties of human emotion, the creative potential of using Suno for song creation, and the practical uses of both Recraft  and Ideogram for crafting compelling marketing visuals. Check out Matt's new podcast The Next Wave here: https://link.chtbl.com/uqnVaUip Mentions Hume https://www.hume.ai/ Suno https://www.suno.ai/ Recraft https://www.recraft.ai/ Ideogram https://ideogram.ai/ We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
The Marketing Mistake That Could End Starbucks
Mar 28 2024
The Marketing Mistake That Could End Starbucks
Ep 212 Why do major corporations need CMO’s in these changing times? Kipp and Kieran dissect the marketing faux pas that could spell disaster for even titans like Starbucks. Kipp and Kieran dive into why it’s so important to have a centralized marketing team. Learn more on the essential role of craftsmanship, expertise over regional knowledge, the perils of decentralized marketing teams, and how Ai can revolutionize the iteration and creativity in your marketing approach. Mentions Brady Brewer https://stories.starbucks.com/leadership/brady-brewer/ Claude https://claude.ai/ We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
If You Can Adopt These Marketing Principles, Ai Can’t Hurt You
Mar 26 2024
If You Can Adopt These Marketing Principles, Ai Can’t Hurt You
Ep. 211 Did you know that the simple act of brushing our teeth daily was popularized by a marketing campaign in the 1920s? This and other historical success stories demonstrate the power of timeless marketing principles that even Ai can't defy. Kieran dives into the importance of adopting fundamental marketing principles that ensure long-term success and resilience in the face of advancing technology. Learn more on how conversational copywriting shaped the toothpaste industry, why distribution should be your first priority, and the significant role of relentless perseverance and customer value demonstrated by the story of James Dyson. Mentions Claud C. Hopkins https://scientificadvertising.blogspot.com/ Pepsodent https://www.pepsodent.com/bd James Dyson https://www.dyson.com/james-dyson We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
How To Get Your First 100 Customers Using Ai In Social Media | Yuliya Bel
Mar 19 2024
How To Get Your First 100 Customers Using Ai In Social Media | Yuliya Bel
Ep. 209 Is humor the secret sauce to capturing your first 100 customers in today's AI-driven social media landscape? Learn unconventional yet potent strategies for early-stage companies to get noticed and thrive. Kipp and Yuliya Bel (co-founder of Notus) dive into the nuances of leveraging social data and AI for personalized marketing. Learn more on harnessing AI for smarter social media strategy, the art of engagement and "s**t posting" to drive authentic conversations, and how to pinpoint and attract the high-fit, high-intent prospects critical to your business's growth. Mentions Notus https://getnotus.io/ Wendy’s social media https://twitter.com/Wendys We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
I Used ChatGPT To Create A Marketing Plan In 30 Minutes
Mar 12 2024
I Used ChatGPT To Create A Marketing Plan In 30 Minutes
Ep. 207 Are you ready to outsmart the future with a dash of humor and a sprinkle of AI ingenuity? This week, Kipp and Kieran build a marketing plan using ChatGPT with the virtual wisdom of marketing legends. Kipp and Kieran dive into building a marketing plan in real time with the help of AI. Learn more on what works and what doesn’t, how ChatGPT can connect you to the brain of famous marketers, and how all of this can help you reach 1000 customers. Mentions Gary Vaynerchuck https://garyvaynerchuk.com/ Seth Godin https://www.sethgodin.com/ Mailchimp https://mailchimp.com/ We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
Using GPT Agents For Content Creation (Tools & Predictions) ft Nicholas Holland
Feb 29 2024
Using GPT Agents For Content Creation (Tools & Predictions) ft Nicholas Holland
AI agents: your new virtual co-worker! What are they, who is making them, and when you can expect them. Kieran and Nicholas Holland (Hubspot, GM Marketing Hub) dive into the transformative power of AI in content creation and digital marketing strategies. Learn more about the innovative ways AI tools can enhance brand voice, the intricacies of tailoring content to various social media platforms, and the game-changing potential of AI-driven devices and interfaces that could redefine how we work and interact with technology. Mentions G2 Crowd https://www.g2.com/ Capterra https://www.capterra.com We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
OpenAI Agents 2.0… Is This The End Of Google Search?
Feb 22 2024
OpenAI Agents 2.0… Is This The End Of Google Search?
Will A.I. Agents kill traditional browser based search? Kipp and Kieran dive into the latest innovations from OpenAI and the development of AI agents, which have the potential to revolutionize tasks and automation. They discuss the potential impact these agents can have on the future of Google search, and the changing landscape of search engines. This includes opportunities for marketers and businesses to adapt to this new era of AI-driven technology. Mentions Ben Tossell and his daily AI news letter Ben’s Bites: (https://bensbites.beehiiv.com/subscribe) Adept - An AI company focused on creating an AI teammate for everyone: (https://www.adept.ai/) Selenium - A popular testing tool for web applications: (https://www.selenium.dev/) Perplexity AI - A company disrupting the core Google search business: (https://perplexity.ai/) Time Stamps: 00:00 Kieran shares wild parenting stories, OpenAI project.] 04:08 OpenAI evolving to execute work on your behalf. 07:01 Large language models have limited long-term value. 11:19 Sales reps use automation and need improvement. 15:11 Upcoming episodes on agents and disruptions.] 16:11 Google's search success built on feedback loop. 19:48 AI chat products: understanding, building, and ranking. 23:08 Explore how LLMS perceive your brand. Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
OpenAI’s Sora Vs Google’s Gemini 1.5 Pro: Who Wins?
Feb 20 2024
OpenAI’s Sora Vs Google’s Gemini 1.5 Pro: Who Wins?
Is 2024 the year we'll see our wildest imaginations come to life in video form? Kipp and Kieran get right into the brewing storm within the AI industry as titans clash on new frontiers of technology. In this episode they dive into the unfolding drama of AI developments with a focus on the text-to-video revolution. Learn more on how Sora is animating our still image stories, the serious business of AI in video game worlds, and the intense rivalry heating up between OpenAI and Google. Mentions Sora - Text-to-video model launched by OpenAI. (https://openai.com/sora) OpenAI - The organization behind the development of AI models like Sora and GPT-4. (https://www.openai.com/) Sam Altman - CEO of OpenAI involved in the launch of Sora. (https://www.ycombinator.com/people/sam) Google Gemini 1.5 - A model developed by Google with capabilities in text, audio, and video. (https://gemini.google.com/advanced) GPT-4 - The fourth iteration of the Generative Pre-trained Transformer model by OpenAI. (https://openai.com/gpt-4) Time Stamps: 00:00 Sam strategically times releases to upstage Google. 04:58 Multiple videos watched, 30-50 pages long. Easter eggs, OpenAI mention, Sam Altman backstory. 07:47 A new model is better than GPT-4. 12:55 Will Smith spaghetti meme evolved rapidly in Tokyo. 15:39 Model Sora can animate still images, creating narratives. 18:30 Stock videographer sites may be obsolete for marketing. 20:54 YouTube is the future of multimedia content. 26:20 Gemini Pro unlocks YouTube as a search engine. 29:32 OpenAI: large company doing incredible work efficiently. 31:43 AI developments promise exciting content for the year. Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
How to Copy Red Bull's $16 Billion Marketing Strategy in 4 Simple Steps
Feb 15 2024
How to Copy Red Bull's $16 Billion Marketing Strategy in 4 Simple Steps
What can we learn from Red Bull's $16 billion marketing strategy? The story is a case study in revolutionary marketing tactics and full of practical use cases for any marketer. Kipp dives deep on Red Bull founder Dietrich Mateschitz's marketing genius. He who transformed the energy drink industry through counterintuitive marketing plays and brand ownership approaches. It’s the incredible journey of how Dietrich redefined marketing and provides exclusive insights into the genius behind Red Bull's success.  Get ready to uncover the secrets of Red Bull's groundbreaking marketing strategy, the art of differentiation, the power of owned media, and the importance of playing by your own rules. Mentions Founders podcast episode about Dietrich Mateschitz: http://tinyurl.com/tdfyzbw5 “Be different, different for the sake of it in everything.” - James Dyson Edward Bernays - Father of modern public relations: http://tinyurl.com/4udmymtm Charlie Munger’s “surf” metaphor: http://tinyurl.com/bdefa4dk Tim Stamps: 00:00 Red Bull took unconventional approach to marketing. 03:57 Discovering Japanese billionaire's energy drink business venture. 07:48 Innovative marketing strategy and intentional vagueness. 12:04 Unconventional marketing tactics and dedication to marketing. 14:44 Bold investments secured massive free TV distribution. 17:53 Media and advertising approach lands in unexplored market. 22:01 Red Bull's principles: be different, owned media. 23:15 Media events over advertising, leverage existing platforms. Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support.