The By Land Podcast

Emory Wanger

An interview-based podcast exploring the world of backpacking by covering topics such as thru-hiking, hunting, mountaineering, nutrition, conservation, personal development, and more. Each episode promises a refreshing and humbled approach to the outdoors and will leave you feeling encouraged to pursue the adventures you’ve been dreaming of.

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#167 Everest Incorporated with Will Cockrell
Apr 16 2024
#167 Everest Incorporated with Will Cockrell
Text the show!Will Cockrell joins the podcast to discuss his recently published book detailing the history of Mount Everest, his perspective on the draw of mountaineering, and the connection between suffering and achievement. Will also explains the need to tell the full story of Everest, as well as the misconceptions and negative narratives surrounding the mountain. He challenges the idea of who deserves to climb Everest and questions the romanticism and judgment associated with mountaineering. Our conversation covers various themes related to climbing Everest, including the issue of discounting different approaches, the individualized nature of climbing, the perspective of seasoned climbers, the perception of Everest as spoiled, the reality of the Sherpa role, the misunderstanding of the Sherpa culture, the monetization of Everest, and the importance of seeking the whole Everest story.Will shares insights from his book, reflecting on the state of the industry and the motivations of climbers and explores the relationship between Western climbers and Sherpas, highlighting the positive changes in recent years. Finally, we dive into the challenges of waste management and the future of Everest, emphasizing the importance of stewardship and the understanding of different perspectives.Show Notes and LinksIntroductionsEarly Years and Pursuit of GuidingSpecializing in MoThe Draw of MountaineeringThe Connection Between Suffering and AchievementThe Comfort of the WildernessThe Need for a Book on Guiding on EverestThe Counter Narrative to the Negative Perception of EverestQuestioning Who Deserves to Be on EverestThe Romanticism and Judgment of MountaineeringThe Perception of Crowding on EverestThe Difficulty of Defining Who Deserves to Climb EverestThe Individualized Nature of Climbing EverestThe Perspective of Seasoned Everest ClimbersThe Reality of the Sherpa RoleThe Monetization of EverestThe Importance of Seeking the Whole StoryReflections on the Everest IndustryThe State of the Everest IndustryThe Impact of Tourism on EverestThe Experience at Everest Base CampThe Dilemma of Camp 4Balancing Conservation and AccessThe Future of EverestWill's bookSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#166 The Perfect Family Backpacking Tent with Brad Brooks of Argali
Apr 8 2024
#166 The Perfect Family Backpacking Tent with Brad Brooks of Argali
Text the show!Brad Brooks joins the podcast to compare notes on our recent backpacking trips with our kids and discuss the importance of exposing children to the outdoors. We share our experiences and challenges while planning and executing our trips, emphasizing the value of involving children in the decision-making process and building their confidence in doing hard things. We also discuss the unique benefits of backpacking, such as disconnecting from technology and experiencing raw, uncurated adventures. We also discuss Argali’s new lineup of tents, their design, what makes these shelters unique, and Argali’s philosophy of constantly seeking improvement and innovation in gear design.   Brad dives into educating me on the materials used in the tent designs and the pros and cons of each.  Show Notes and Links:Introduction and Catching UpPlanning and Preparing for Backpacking with KidsThe Challenges and Rewards of Backpacking with KidsInvolving Kids in the Planning ProcessBuilding Confidence and Creating Lasting MemoriesThe Future of Outdoor Experiences Conclusion and Final ThoughtsThe Design and Functionality of the Absaroka TP TentPolyester vs Nylon: The Debate in Tent MaterialsInnovation and Thinking Outside the Box in Gear DesignThe Importance of Functionality and Simplicity in Tent DesignThe Demands of the Hunting Community for High-Quality GearBalancing Weight and Functionality in Gear SelectionEncouraging Innovation and Creativity in the Outdoor IndustryPassion for the Outdoors and Enhancing the Outdoor ExperienceWebsiteYouTubeInstagramAbsoroka 4PAbsoroka Full InsertFabric ArticleLast Wild Places FilmSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#165 Becoming a Backcountry Foodie with Aaron Owens
Mar 8 2024
#165 Becoming a Backcountry Foodie with Aaron Owens
Text the show!Aaron Owens runs “Backcountry Foodie,” a one-stop shop for backpackers and long-distance hikers who want to level up their food game in the backcountry.  From ultra-light food recipes and meal planners to a robust calorie calculator and resupply service, Aaron has you covered.  She loves backcountry food so much that she’ll even pack your food bag for you and ship it to your home so all you need to do is toss it in your pack and head out the door! Key Takeaways:Food plays a crucial role in backpacking and can impact performance and enjoyment on the trailCreating a diverse menu with foods that you enjoy from home can help maintain energy levels and prevent boredomUnderstanding your caloric needs and eating regularly throughout the day is essential for sustained energy and avoiding bonkingWhile junk food can provide quick energy, it's important to balance it with complex carbohydrates, protein, and fats for optimal performanceTransitioning to a new diet on the trail should be done gradually to avoid digestive issues and other negative effects on the body.Customize your meal plans based on your hiking strategy and preferences.Maximize the nutritional value of each bite by incorporating combination foodsEat every hour to hour and a half to maintain energy levels throughout the dayConsider freeze-drying your own meals for a lightweight and personalized backpacking experienceKeep a hiking food journal to track what works and what doesn't for future tripsShow Notes and Links:Aaron's BackstoryThe Importance of Food in BackpackingCreating a Diverse MenuUnderstanding Caloric IntakeThe Importance of Eating RegularlyThe Pros and Cons of a Junk Food DietTransitioning to a New Diet and Its EffectsEmergency Food and SnacksCustomized Meal Plans Based on Hiking StrategyMaximizing Caloric IntakeCombination FoodsEating for Warmth in Cold WeatherEating on the GoPalette ChangesFreeze DryingFoodie Serviceshttps://backcountryfoodie.com/aff/53/https://www.instagram.com/backcountry_foodiehttps://www.youtube.com/c/BackcountryFoodiehttps://www.facebook.com/backcountryfoodieSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#163 - Planning Made Easy with Janelle Smith of Rec.gov
Jan 15 2024
#163 - Planning Made Easy with Janelle Smith of Rec.gov
Text the show!Janelle Smith is the strategic communications team lead at rec.gov and is responsible for spreading the word about the myriad of offerings the platform has for outdoor enthusiasts.  As the summer season approaches, many of us are deep in the planning mode for camping trips, making this conversation with Janelle and her team a no-brainer.If you're not yet familiar with rec.gov, think of it as your ultimate planning companion for camping and various outdoor activities.  Janelle walks us through the functionalities of this planning tool, highlighting how it simplifies the process of discovering available sites, understanding what's out there, and crafting the perfect trip itinerary.Janelle's role as a key representative for rec.gov makes her insights particularly valuable.  Whether you're a seasoned user or a newcomer, this episode will likely uncover nuances about rec.gov that you might not have considered. Show Notes and Links:Getting to know JanelleRec.gov services and missionRecreation before Rec.gov2023 recreational trendsNew features for 2024Addressing no-show campersPost COVID trendsAdvice for booking popular campsitesThe “Trip Builder” featureJanelle’s “why” behind what she doesThe “big picture”Encouraging explorationhttps://www.recreation.gov/Support the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#158 - Escaping the Thru-Hiking Mentality and Rediscovering Backpacking with Michael “Einstein” Gelfeld
Jun 12 2023
#158 - Escaping the Thru-Hiking Mentality and Rediscovering Backpacking with Michael “Einstein” Gelfeld
Text the show!Michael "Einstein" Gelfeld is an accomplished backpacker and bikepacker.  He's logged thousands of miles doing both, but when you ask him what matters most after all of that, he'd tell you it's not the stats but instead, whether or not you enjoy what you're doing.Einstein joins the podcast to discuss current backpacking culture, how he escaped the thru-hiking mentality, and how he rediscovered his love for backpacking.Show Notes and LinksEinsteins backpacking backstory A shift in perspective The accomplishment measuring stick  Recapping the AZT YoYo attemptRedefining backpacking on a personal levelBreaking free of the thru-hiking mentalityThe CDT hiker story - the epitome of where we’re atWhere badge hunting gets dangerousThru-Hikers are not backpackersWhy thru-hiking is an attractive pursuitWhat actually motivates you up the trailDo the thing you want to do and enjoy itThe importance of pursuing what you enjoyhttps://www.instagram.com/youth.retired/https://www.unpublishedeinsteinthoughts.com/https://lighterpack.com/r/p83g4dhttps://www.mgelfeldmath.com/Audience Feedback and SurveyIf you'd like to help shape the future of the podcast, please fill out the form by visiting the link below or email me at emory@byland.co.  Thanks! https://byland.co/podcast-surveyREIAssorted outdoor gear and equipment.Garage Grown GearUltralight and cottage backpacking brands.BackcountryAssorted outdoor gear and equipment.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#157 - Inside Nuyarn’s Revolutionary Spin On Merino Wool with CEO Andy Wynne
May 22 2023
#157 - Inside Nuyarn’s Revolutionary Spin On Merino Wool with CEO Andy Wynne
Text the show!Andy Wynne is the CEO of Nuyarn®, a Merino wool textile manufacturer that has reinvented the way Merino is spun so it can unlock its natural characteristics while enhancing performance.  The result is a material that can outperform synthetics while maintaining the benefits of natural fiber.  Nuyarn® is stronger, stretchier, softer, more abrasion resistant, and as you’ll learn here in a minute, is spun on machines that have a reduced impact on the environment.  Long story short, the Merino wool you’re used to wearing wasn’t spun with the rigors of the outdoors in mind, Nuyarn® is, and you’re about to learn all about it.If you want a solid education on Merino wool and some insight into how and why it’s made the way it is, you’ll enjoy this episode.  Andy walks us through his backstory, the development of Nuyarn®, and why it matters.Show Notes and LinksIntroductionsMaking the switch from synthetic to merinoAndy’s backstoryHow Merino wool worksTraditional ways of manufacturing woolThe Nuyarn® method of spinning MerinoWhat the industry was asking forDurability of Nuyarn®Suggested weight for sun hoodiesWhy Polyester can be clammyWhat Nuyarn is comprised ofWhy Merino is itchy (Microns explained)Purpose-built spinning machinesAnimal welfare, ethics, and renewable material  surrounding Merino wool (sheep shearing)Continuing to push limits and make an impact How to find Nuyarn® productsMoisture retainment issues with Merinohttps://nuyarn.co.nz/Nuyarn introduction (video)Brands Using Nuyarn®Black DiamondOutdoor VitalsKuiuArtilectSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#156 - Behind the Design with Exo Mountain Gear
Apr 24 2023
#156 - Behind the Design with Exo Mountain Gear
Text the show!Exo Mountain Gear specializes in load-hauling backpacks designed for hunters.  Steve Speck and Mark Huelsing join me for a behind-the-scenes look at Exo's newest K4 pack design.  After more than 3 years in development and over a decade of pack-building experience, the K4 is a finely tuned design and the best pack Exo has designed to date.This episode is loaded with insight into the principles of pack design, the mechanical function of load carry (this is HUGE), and how Steve decides which features and updates make the cut when revising his designs. If you spend any amount of time with any kind of pack strapped to your back (yes, even a lightweight one), you can learn a lot from Steve and Mark.  Knowing how your gear functions will put you in the driver's seat rather than being a mere passenger hoping it's all going to work out.Exo Mountain Gear is the real deal.  They make a premium product and a team behind them that cares about their customers.Enjoy!Show Notes and LinksCatching up with Mark and SteveRecapping Steve’s recent Alaskan sheep huntsRecapping Mark’s Mountain Goat huntMental strength - how to stay positive and mentally presentTransitioning to the natural cycle of the backcountryWhere pack design beginsExo Pack design principlesPack design changes over the yearsExciting changes to the K4 design Where quality load carry begins The importance of hip-belt structureFinding the sweet spot in pack designThe importance of taking care of customersIvory holster compatibility with K4Plans for the rest of 2023How to follow up with Exo Mountain Gear  https://exomtngear.com/InstagramYouTubeThe Hunt Backcountry PodcastSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#155 - Getting to Know Dan Becker
Mar 27 2023
#155 - Getting to Know Dan Becker
Text the show!Dan Becker is a backpacker from Wisconsin who turned his passion into his full-time profession.  If you’ve poked around YouTube for backpacking, you’ve no doubt seen his videos a time or two.  He’s grown a massive following and for good reason - he’s just a great guy.  Dan is genuine, sincere, funny, and just loves to backpack.  I didn’t know much about him before we spoke, but sincerely enjoyed getting to know him and now have a fond appreciation for what he’s been able to accomplish.We cover a ton of ground in this episode, including everything from Wisconsin backpacking culture and learning how to find your own style of backpacking, to starting a YouTube channel and making it a real career.  One of the things I find fascinating about Dan’s approach to making backpacking a “career” is that he looks at it like a business and a hobby.  He’s been able to separate the two things, but also fuse them together which is really hard to do.  Dan has used backpacking to create a business and business to create more backpacking adventures and I think a lot of outdoor creators can learn a thing or two from him. I mean, the guy has a family and goes backpacking for a living.I have no doubt you’ll enjoy getting to know Dan as much as I did.Show Notes and Links:Dan’s outdoor backstoryBackpacking in Wisconsin Getting to know the backpacking crowdWestern backpacking vs Mid West backpackingAppreciating what you havePutting backpacking in a boxLearning to backpack   Finding a personal backpacking styleBeing the focus of hit pieces Why Dan started a YouTube channelThe life of a creativeDeciding to go all in on YouTubeSponsorships and brand dealsDan’s advice to creatorsWorking out with DanHow to follow up with Dan  YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@DanBeckerIG: https://www.instagram.com/danbeckeroutdoorsFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/danbeckeroutdoorsDan's rescue recap: https://youtu.be/FRSGGUUtN9YSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#154 - Thru-Hiking France with Thomas Bouïssaguet of Hexatrek
Mar 8 2023
#154 - Thru-Hiking France with Thomas Bouïssaguet of Hexatrek
Text the show!The Hexatrek is a 3000 km long-distance trail across France that begins at the border of Germany, traverses the Pyrenees Mountains, and ends at the Bay of Biscay.  Thomas works for the Hexatrek organization and spent the summer and fall of 2022 hiking and documenting the trail.  Thomas is able to recognize the realities of hiking a long and share all sides of that reality.  He can describe the trail as an epic adventure that includes vineyards, castles, and mountains, but he’ll also tell you how mentally complacent you can become when one view blends into the next.If you’re dreaming of backpacking through France one day, you’re going to love this episode.Show Notes and LinksIntroduction to the HexatrekHexatrek backstoryEuropean hiking culture and trail experienceThru-hiking popularity in EuropeThe importance of having a beginning and endHiking the Hexatrek vs an American long trailDaily life and cadence of the trailMaking the hike your ownVisa considerationsCamping along the HexatrekFood along the Hexatrek Experiencing France by footThomas’s backpacking storyThe highs and lows of thru-hikingThoughts on losing reverence for an experience Life after the HexatrekFinding balance in life is actually finding contrastThe importance of gaining perspective through contrast What’s next for the HexatrekWhy “Hexatrek” How to followup with Thomas and the Hexatrekhttps://en.hexatrek.com/https://www.instagram.com/hexatrek/https://www.facebook.com/LHexatrek/https://www.instagram.com/cartapouillehttps://youtu.be/9qIlOONM8sYPodcast:Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-a-tent-with-a-french-man-a-daily-thru-hiking-journal/id1502733870Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0P8RD04n8UX0ubqwnFOvXj?si=b502ebfdafda4793Support the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#153 - Hard-won Insights with Andrew Skurka
Feb 13 2023
#153 - Hard-won Insights with Andrew Skurka
Text the show!Andrew Skurka is known throughout the backpacking industry as someone who knows what they’re talking about when it comes to spending time in the backcountry.  He was thru-hiking before it became popular and has hiked well over 20,000 miles across both long and short expeditions.  Andrew now operates a backpacking guide service. Andrew is a wealth of knowledge for all things backpacking but also has great insight into the mindset the backcountry requires.If you enjoy learning from the best, this episode will not disappoint.  Show Notes and LinksHow Andrew Skurka got into thru-hikingHow far backpacking has come since the early daysHiking the AT in the early daysThe benefit of uninterrupted long-duration hikes/adventuresThe importance of having an “end” to an expedition or experienceOn being goal-oriented rather than “wandering”How Andrew got into being a backpacking guide mindset from a guide to teacherLearning to slow downLearning to navigate groups and personalitiesHigh Routes explained How Andrew got into high routesThe natural progression of outdoor explorationPlans for future expeditionsAndrews backpacking advice Andrews favorite gear Thoughts on synthetic or natural fibers How to followup with Andrew SkurkaWebsite: https://andrewskurka.com/Guided Trips: https://andrewskurka.com/guided-trips/Support the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#152 - Creating An Outdoor Family Lifestyle with Katie O’mara of Trail Magik
Jan 18 2023
#152 - Creating An Outdoor Family Lifestyle with Katie O’mara of Trail Magik
Text the show!Katie O’mara is the driving force behind Trail Magik, an outdoor brand whose mission is to make hiking and backpacking with toddlers efficient and more enjoyable.  Once kids grow out of their backpack-style carriers, parents are forced into deciding how far their little ones can hike before needing to be picked up, but oftentimes riding in a backpack is too much trouble because all the toddler really needs is a small break from walking.  That’s where Trail Magik comes in.Katie is the best.  She has a heart of gold and sincerely cares about her community.  From the struggles of owning a small business to the ups and downs of being an outdoor family, we cover all of it in this episode and I came away from our conversation feeling inspired and encouraged.For those out there with young families trying to figure this whole thing out, I think this episode will be a bright spot in your day.  It’s conversations like this one that keeps me going and I’m glad that people like Katie are out there encouraging others to be adventurous with their families.If you’re interested in picking up a carrier of your own or for someone else, you can use the code BYLAND to save 10% off at www.trailmagik.com.Show Notes and LinksThe Trail Magik origin storyWhy the carrier works for walking toddlersEntrepreneurial lifeLearning to get outdoors with kidsPreparing for new outdoor adventuresWhat it’s like putting a product into the worldThe importance of being yourselfFeeling the pressure to adventureDo what you WANT to do out thereDefining an “outdoor” familyGrowing up in the outdoorsWhy parents feel the pull to bring their kids outsideCreating an outdoor lifestyleBiggest barriers for parents and kids in the outdoorsLearning to enjoy the hiking parts of backpackingKatie’s closing thoughtsHow to followup with Katie and Trail Magikwww.trailmagik.comInstagramYouTubeSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#151 - All Humans Outside with Tommy Corey
Dec 21 2022
#151 - All Humans Outside with Tommy Corey
Text the show!Tommy Corey’s eye for outdoor portrait photography landed him front and center in the hiking community during his 2018 PCT thru-hike when he began posting fashion-esque portraits of fellow thru-hikers under the project name “Hiker Trash Vogue.”  The photo project captured the attention of major outdoor brands and was even featured in Outside Online.  Tommy received high accolades for his work, but it was also pointed out that his subjects did not represent a range of diverse backgrounds in the outdoors.  This podcast episode is a conversation between myself and Tommy about his CDT realizations, his upcoming project, and what “diversity” and “inclusion” really mean in the outdoors.  This is a topic I often find to be tough to nail down at times, not to mention for some, emotionally charged.  Those terms along with ones like “community” are thrown around like candy these days and I find myself sincerely wondering where it all leads and how to approach it.  Conversations like this one aren’t meant to solve problems.  They’re meant to discuss them and gain perspective which is exactly what I personally achieved.  Please enjoy this episode with Tommy Corey.Show Notes and LinksCatching up with Tommy after Hiker Trash VogueWhat happened on the CDT in 2022What Tommy was seeing and NOT seeing on the trailThe creative process on the trail  The idea of thru-hikes as a PilgrimageWhat the PCT meant to TommyTommy’s new BIG projectUnderstanding what diversity and inclusion actually meanTommy’s creative process What diversity and inclusion meansThoughts on what “community” isTakeaways from Tommy’s interviewsTaking on such a big photo project Experiencing how others enjoy the outdoorsUnderstanding the “why” behind your actionsDetails on the release dates of the photo book How to follow the projecttommycoreyphoto.comAll Humans Outside on InstagramSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#150 - Backpacking 1300 Miles of the PCT with 3 Kids with David Daley
Oct 18 2022
#150 - Backpacking 1300 Miles of the PCT with 3 Kids with David Daley
Text the show!This is the second part of a two-part mini-series with Marketa and David Daley who in 2022 hiked 1300 miles of the Pacific Crest Trail with their 3 young kids.  David and I dive into the more holistic side of hiking the trail and explore the meaning behind the struggle and process of a thru-hike.  For anyone who enjoys the non-technical side of a thru-hiking discussion, you’ll enjoy this, especially if you’re a parent yourself.David and I dive into what it was like to hike as Father on the PCT, how hard it was to learn to hike as slow as a child, and the spiritual connection we feel toward wild spaces.  A thru-hike is a difficult thing to process and it was great to have the chance to explore the experience with David so soon after the end of his hike.  Show NotesDigesting the trailThe importance of immersing yourself in the wildernessThoughts on possible long-term effects of thru-hiking with kids (hopes versus reality)Experiencing the PCT as a Dad  Parental roles and responsibilities on the trail Holding hands for 500 miles then letting go…Learning to hike all-dayWhat it’s like hiking at a child’s paceReasons behind the hike   The spiritual connection to wild spacesIs life balance possible?The willingness to easily find excuses not to do something Imagining life without the PCT Understanding why you hikeBreakthrough moments on the trailReflecting on relationships with fellow hikersThe importance of communityFinal thoughtshttps://www.instagram.com/daleywalkGarage Grown GearUltralight and cottage backpacking brands.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co
#149 - Backpacking 1300 Miles of the PCT with 3 Kids with Marketa Daley
Sep 19 2022
#149 - Backpacking 1300 Miles of the PCT with 3 Kids with Marketa Daley
Text the show!Marketa and David Daley backpacked 1300 miles of the Pacific Crest Trail in 2022 with their 3 kids and proved to themselves that yes, it was possible to hike the PCT as a family.  At times they moved at a snail's pace, questioned their own sanity, and were forced to find creative ways to motivate their kids to continue moving down the trail.  Together as a family, they experienced the highs and lows of trail life, strengthened their family bonds, and in the end, found what they were looking for.  This is part 1 of a 2 part episode series where I interview Marketa and David separately to learn about them as people, their background, their motivations, and finally their hiking story.  I’m sincerely honored and humbled to have them on this podcast and grateful that they’re willing to share their experiences in such a real and transparent way.   Show NotesIntroductionsInitial expectations for the PCTEmory’s internal conflict with kids on long trailsHow Marketa and her family decided to hike  Maketa’s personal outdoor backstory Previous hikes with kids leading up to the PCTWhy the PCT was so daunting as a hike  How the kids transitioned to the trailThe first 20 milesAnticipating the struggle of a thru-hike with kidsHow parenting changed on the PCTHow outdoor activities changed with more kidsHow to break the barriers and remove excusesLessons learned with gearChoosing kid’s clothes for backpackingThe importance of just startingMotivating kids to keep movingHow parenting on the trail differs from parenting on the trail How the trail bonded the kidsThe transition from trail to homeAudience question: Thoughts and advice for taking a 4-year-old hiking and backpacking as a single parentHow to follow up with Marketa https://www.instagram.com/daleywalkSupport the Show.Thanks for listening! Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin the newsletter Beginner backpacking course Support the show emory@byland.co