The Fourth Way

The Fourth Way

A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.

(199) S9E42 {Interview ~ Matthew Milioni} Christian Anarchism's Practical Implications
Aug 13 2022
(199) S9E42 {Interview ~ Matthew Milioni} Christian Anarchism's Practical Implications
A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: Page:   Kingdom Outpost: Reading List Goodreads: Reading List Google Docs: Interview with Matthew Milioni: as an Abdication of Responsibility: The Constitution of No Authority: of a Hybrid: Carlin voting: Not to Vote: voting coercive: War Debate: 911: 13 episode: 13 extension: Episode Part I: Into the Chasm: of the Way: Kingdom Podcast: Intro0:04:00 Is abstention from government a shirking of our Christian duty to do good in the world? 0:16:00 Is it a false dichotomy to say we can't serve God AND government?0:26:20 The impracticality of governmental pursuit and coercion vs. example0:31:25 Voting as religion and the sacralism of the state0:39:50 Voting as a tool to appease and silent the masses and quell civil uprisings0:45:25 How government steals the credit and props itself up as savior in regard to societal good done by activists0:48:35 Government is idealistic, and Jesus is a better and more practical savior than government0:56:35 False dichotomy part 2: can't we serve God through government?1:00:20 Democracy and voting are inherently coercive and factional, so what about decision making in the church? 1:08:55 If the police and laws do good and provide order in a fallen world, how do we navigate issues like legitimate lawsuits for damages, calling the police for intruders, or reporting sexual abuse?1:24:15 Informing the state about crimes in their domain vs. petitioning the state to use their sword on my behalf1:30:00 How do I maintain a consistent application of noncoercion to other areas, like parenting and spanking?1:35:10 Isn't justifying spanking based on the benefit for my kids the same consequentialism Christians who vote use?1:39:00 What about Jesus ruling with a rod of iron, and Christians ruling in the age to come? That sounds like we're wielding government and sword.1:47:41 Christocentric vision as core 1:52:27 Matthew plugs his stuff1:53:54 Outro ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
(198) S9E41 {Interview ~ Jay Newman} Positive Anarchism and Discipleship
Aug 7 2022
(198) S9E41 {Interview ~ Jay Newman} Positive Anarchism and Discipleship
0:00:00 - Episode Intro0:05:00 - Jay Newman Intro0:15:30 - Complicity in the system0:19:00 - Is Christian Anarchism retreatist?0:30:30 - Consequentialism's willingness to compromise0:37:30 - Coercion as top down vs. Discipleship as bottom up0:44:00 - The Upside Down Kingdom as true power0:48:45 - Ellul, Anarchism, and Propaganda1:00:00 - Exiles in Babylon1:01:45 - Avoiding negative anarchy for positive anarchy and kingdom buildingA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: Page:   Kingdom Outpost: Reading List Goodreads: Reading List Google Docs: Interview: Meeropol Interview:   Christian Nonresistance: In All Its Important Bearings: Ballou quote from "Christian Nonresistance in All its Important Bearings:" As constituent supporters of human government, ( whether civil or military, or a compound of both -) in its state or national sovereignty, men are morally responsible for all constitutions, institutions, laws, processes, and usages, which they have pledged themselves to support, or which they avowedly approve, or which they depend upon as instrumentalities for securing and promoting their personal welfare, or in which they acquiesce without positive remonstrance and disfellowship. Thus if a political compact, a civil or military league, covenant, or constitution, requires, authorizes, provides for, or tolerates war, bloodshed, capital punishment, slavery, or any kind of absolute injury - offensive or defensive, the man who swears, affirms, or otherwise pledges himself to support such a compact, league, covenant, or constitution, is just as responsible for every act of injury done in strict conformity thereto, as if he himself personally committed it. He is not responsible for abuses and violations of the constitution. But for all that is constitutionally done he is responsible. The army is his army, the navy his navy, the militia his militia, the gallows his gallows, the -^ pillory his pillory, the whipping-post his whipping-post, the branding-iron his branding-iron, the prison to prison, the dungeon his dungeon, and the slaveholding his slaveholding. When the constitutional majority declare war, it is his war. All the slaughter, rapine, ravages, robbery, destruction, and mischief committed under that declaration, in accordance with the laws of war, are his. Nor can he exculpate himself by pleading that he was one of a strenuous anti-war minority in the government. He was in the government. He had sworn, affirmed, or otherwise pledged himself, that the majority should have discretionary power to declare war. He tied up his hands with that anti-Christian obligation, to stand by the majority in all the crimes and abominations inseparable from war. It is therefore his war, its murders are his murders, its horrible injuries on humanity are his injuries. " They are all committed with his solemn sanction. There is no escape from this terrible moral responsibility but by a conscientious withdrawal from such government, and an uncompromising protest against so much of its fundamental creed and constitutional law, as is decidedly anti-Christian. He must cease to be its pledged supporter and approving dependent. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★