Conversations with Dr. Gabriela Ilie and Guests (Podcast 22): Today’s Guests are Cindy Lora-Renard and Gary Renard

Conversation with Dr. Gabriela Ilie and Guests: A non-dualistic perspective to life and living, cancer and cancer survivorship.

Oct 18 2023 • 1 hr 24 mins

Welcome to Episode 22 of "Conversations with Dr. Gabriela Ilie and guests"!

I am thrilled to have Gary Renard and Cindy Lora-Renard as my guests today. Gary is best selling author of The Disappearance of the Universe, Your Immortal Reality, Love has forgotten no one,  and The lives when Jesus and Buddha knew each other.  Wayne Dyer wrote of Gary’s book The Disappearance of the Universe: "This is a book that is destined to be one of the most significant contributions to spiritual literature in this century. The message in Gary Renard’s The Disappearance of the Universe is of great importance to the healing of ourselves and our planet.” The Lives when Jesus and Buddha knew each other, is also a true masterpiece. I don't know of any other book that comes as close to speaking in the clearest of terms about the truth of who we are and what is our purpose here. Cindy is also a best selling author, a spiritual councillor and a musician. She wrote Spiritual Coupling: A Guidebook for Experiencing a Holy Relationship, Heaven is Now, The Business of Forgiveness and A Course in Health and Well-Being. Her books are transformational and seed foundational principles of good health and well being.  Cindy and Gary traveled all over the world to introduce A Course in Miracles and speak about the importance of the mind in health and healing and how our thinking has a profound effect on every aspect of how we experience our lives.

In this episode we talk about how our good intentions, spiritual faith and goodness are a great step in the direction of health and healing but how discipline of the mind and its choices plays a fundamental role in how consistent we experience peace above all else as we move through life with or without an illness. We talk about not confusing spiritual attainment for an upper hand on our body’s ability to heal or die, and how choosing to recognize ourselves in others and seeing everything with spiritual sight is the guiding light to experiencing peace, true health and healing and the healing thought process we want to attain.

This is a second episode in which my husband joins me. Dr. Rob Rutledge is a practicing Oncologist and Associate Professor of Medicine in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. Rob, Cindy, Gary and I are good friends and chosen family and recently spend a wonderful holiday here in Nova Scotia. I love seeing our excitement about talking how we can adopt an attitude of true health and healing where we keep our “eyes” on recognizing the nature of who we are in each other, and choose to not flicker from the truth of who we really are and the permanence of the truth that sustains it.

We invite you to join us on this meaningful journey as we reflect on these deeply human and life-altering topics.

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