Ibogaine Uncovered

Beond

Can the psychedelic ibogaine really get to the root of trauma? In Ibogaine Uncovered, author and journalist Amanda Siebert explores the impact of this powerful medicine including what prompts people to seek it out and how their lives are often transformed through the teachings they receive. Guests take an honest look at their healing journey, unpacking their lived experiences with substance use disorder, complex trauma, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, and grief. Expert guests also provide listeners with wisdom for their own healing journey. read less
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Ian McCall: UFC, TBI, and Ibogaine
Jan 23 2025
Ian McCall: UFC, TBI, and Ibogaine
Ian McCall is a former UFC fighter, retired MMA world champion, and psychedelic research advocate championing alternative treatments for athletes through his organization, Athletes Journey Home. Ian’s journey with psychedelics has been driven by his battle with traumatic brain injury and addiction, which manifested after more than a decade of professional fighting. He credits psychedelics for his successful recovery from more than a decade of dependence on pain medication. Today, Ian spends his time as a performance coach and mentor, often cornering other professional athletes and assisting them on their own path to healing. In this episode, Ian also shares how a recent experience with ibogaine helped him overcome ketamine misuse, a problem affecting an increasing number of visitors to Beond.    What We Discuss Ian's journey as a professional MMA fighter and the personal challenges he faced during his career Understanding Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) and its impact on athletes in combat sports Ian's transition from traditional treatments to exploring psychedelics for TBI and addiction recovery A deep dive into Ian's Ibogaine experience, including its challenges and profound insights How Ibogaine works on the NMDA receptor and its role in repairing damage from ketamine misuse Ian's personal realization about overcoming fear and embracing vulnerability during his healing journey The potential for psychedelics like Ibogaine to support neurogenesis and long-term recovery Ian's approach to helping others with TBI, addiction, and trauma, including the tools and therapies he employs The challenges and barriers in treating TBI and supporting recovery in athletes and others Ian's vision for the future of TBI treatment and the role of psychedelics in holistic healing  Why It’s Important This episode offers an intimate look at Ian McCall's transformation from a professional MMA fighter to a passionate advocate for psychedelic healing. By addressing the complexities of Traumatic Brain Injury and addiction recovery, Ian shares invaluable insights into the potential of psychedelics like Ibogaine to foster profound healing. Whether you're an athlete, a healthcare professional, or someone interested in alternative therapies, this episode provides a compelling narrative on resilience, innovation, and the future of mental and physical recovery. Tune in to learn how Ian's experiences can inspire and guide others on their healing journeys.   Relevant Links Ian McCall InstagramAthletes Journey HomeThe McCall Method (Integration coaching with Ian)Ian McCall’s fight stats
Georgia Sinclair: “The Week that Changed me Forever”
Dec 31 2024
Georgia Sinclair: “The Week that Changed me Forever”
Georgia Sinclair is an international DJ, music producer, and podcaster. Known for her chart-topping collaborations, electrifying House tracks, and global DJ residencies, Georgia has made waves not only in the music industry but also as co-host of the acclaimed wellness podcast Eighty Twenty. Her creativity and authenticity have earned her a loyal following across multiple industries. In this episode, Georgia shares her transformative experience with ibogaine—a journey that she describes as “the week that changed me as a person forever.” What We Discuss How ibogaine helped Georgia reprogram a sense of safety Ibogaine as a “firm but compassionate” medicine How Georgia’s journey gave her insight into addiction ADHD and OCD relief: how Georgia is managing without her medication post-ibogaine Dealing with perfectionism and avoidance  Addressing creative blocks in her music How Georgia is embracing a more mindful relationship with substances Georgia’s advice for others who are curious about ibogaine Why It’s Important From gaining clarity on lifelong struggles like ADHD, OCD, and perfectionism to reprogramming her sense of safety and embracing a more intentional relationship with substances, Georgia’s story shows us that there are no limits to the different ways ibogaine can transform a person’s life. It’s a raw and inspiring testament of what ibogaine can do for us when we remain open and curious to the healing potential of this powerful medicine. Whether you’re curious about ibogaine, personal growth, or the intersection of creativity and wellness, this conversation is packed with revelations and a message of hope. Relevant Links Georgia Sinclair’s website Georgia Sinclair on Instagram Georgia Sinclair on Spotify Georgia Sinclair on Soundcloud Georgia Sinclair on TikTok Eighty Twenty Podcast
Stephane Lasme: Respecting and Investing in Iboga
Dec 2 2024
Stephane Lasme: Respecting and Investing in Iboga
Stephane Lasme is a retired professional basketball player from Gabon and the co-founder and managing director of Stedde Capital, an investment firm focusing on opportunities within the realms of sports ownership, infrastructure, technology, and plant medicine – including iboga and ibogaine – in the United States and Africa. As a professional athlete, Stephane began his career in the NBA, and went on to play in the EuroLeague for Spain, Greece, and Turkey, among other teams. Stephane is also the founder of the 13 Foundation, which provides opportunities for children and youth in his hometown of Port-Gentil, Gabon.  What We Discuss Defining moments, on and off the court The 13 Foundation – how it started and how it’s grown Growing up with iboga The importance of privacy and cultural respect when working with iboga How Stephane’s company is investing in the future iboga Stedde Capital, sustainability, and the overharvesting of iboga Harm Reduction: comparing ibogaine to conventional pharmaceuticals The healing potential of iboga: what we’re missing The future of ibogaine treatment in the face of rising popularity Why It’s Important Growing up in Gabon, iboga was a household medicine for Stephane Lasme and his family. After many years as a professional athlete – and away from his culture – Stephane’s reconnection with iboga has led to the creation of a company putting real money into research, right in Gabon. We learn from Stephane that even though it has played an important role in his life, talking about iboga and his experiences with it isn’t always so important. His passion lies in investing in the future of this medicine through meaningful research and investigation alongside those who’ve grown up with it too.  Relevant Links Stephane Lasme’s websiteStephane Lasme on InstagramStedde CapitalStephane Lasme on The MicrodoseStephane Lasme discusses iboga on Aspen Public Radio
Dr. Lola Ohonba: A Yoruba Herbalist Talks Ibogaine
Nov 13 2024
Dr. Lola Ohonba: A Yoruba Herbalist Talks Ibogaine
Dr. Lola Ohonba is a clinical pharmacist, plant medicine pharmacology expert, counselor, professor, and lifelong herbalist. She is also the founder and CEO of WCI Health, where she consults with people who are seeking guidance in using cannabis, psychedelics, and other plant medicines as a part of their health and wellness journey. Dr. O is public speaker, the best-selling author of A Pharmacist’s Guide to Cannabis: Perspectives of a Non-Conformist Clinician and the host of the podcast, Let’s Talk Plant Medicine: Cannabis, Psychedelics and Pharmaceutics.  What We Discuss What makes Dr. O a “non-conformist” clinician How Dr. O became interested in the medicinal qualities of cannabis (and later psychedelics) Growing up with plant medicine as the norm as an Indigenous herbalist of the Yoruba people of West Africa How Dr. O’s experience as a counselor lends itself to her work as a pharmacist and consultant The notion of “plants over pills,” and why it’s an oversimplification Harm Reduction: Comparing ibogaine to conventional pharmaceuticals Voacanga africana: An important relative of Tabernanthe iboga Why we can’t treat ibogaine like other plant and fungi medicines The role of synthetic ibogaine PsychEntheo, Dr. O’s new consulting platform Why It’s Important Dr. Lola Ohonba brings a unique blend of scientific expertise and Indigenous wisdom to the conversation about ibogaine and psychedelics. As a clinical pharmacist and lifelong herbalist from the Yoruba people of West Africa, Dr. O’s insights bridge the gap between conventional pharmaceuticals and traditional plant medicine. Her non-conformist approach challenges mainstream perspectives, offering valuable reflections on harm reduction, the complexities of ibogaine, and the future of psychedelic medicine.  Relevant Links WCI Health websitePsychEntheo Health (Dr. O’s new platform)Let’s Talk Plant Medicine PodcastDr. Lola Ohonba on LinkedInWCI Health on InstagramWCI Health LinkTree
Dr. Joseph Barsuglia: Ibogaine, 5-MeO-DMT, and the Future of Trauma Healing
Oct 30 2024
Dr. Joseph Barsuglia: Ibogaine, 5-MeO-DMT, and the Future of Trauma Healing
Dr. Joseph Barsuglia is a clinical and research psychologist, student and initiate of Bwiti, former Christian pastor,  and an advisor in psychedelic medicine and alternative healthcare. A co-investigator in the MAPS phase 2 MDMA trials for post-traumatic stress disorder, Dr. Barsuglia has also presented novel observational research on the use of ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT, and developed guidelines for their administration. Along with his partner and co-founder, Tricia Eastman (a previous Ibogaine Uncovered guest), he has co-led psychedelic retreats through Psychedelic Journeys since 2015. Beond co-founder Talia Eisenberg is a guest co-host on the show. What We Discuss How Dr. Barsuglia first came to know iboga What makes iboga such an effective tool for healing trauma The unique therapeutic benefits of working with ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT The biggest challenges affecting practitioners offering treatment with psychedelics The commonalities and differences between what Indigenous wisdom says and a modern medical approach to psychedelics Reconciling Dr. Barsuglia’s Bwiti present with his Christian past How Dr. Barsuglia’s spiritual work complements his psychology practice Why It’s Important From his work as a Christian pastor to becoming a Bwiti initiate and leader in psychedelic research, Dr. Barsuglia brings a unique blend of clinical expertise and deep spiritual insight to the podcast. He offers a rare perspective on how psychedelics like ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT can address trauma in ways modern medicine is only beginning to understand, while his journey highlights the potential for integrating spiritual beliefs with therapeutic practice, making this conversation especially meaningful for those exploring the intersection of modern psychology, spirituality, and Bwiti wisdom. Relevant Links Dr. Joseph Barsuglia’s websitePsychedelic JourneysDr. Barsuglia’s Observational ResearchDr. Barsuglia’s Peer-Reviewed WorkDr. Barsuglia’s BlogDr. Barsuglia on LinkedIn
William Leonard Pickard: The Rebel Scientist Who Predicted Fentanyl
Oct 11 2024
William Leonard Pickard: The Rebel Scientist Who Predicted Fentanyl
William Leonard Pickard is a former research associate in neurobiology at Harvard Medical School, Harvard fellow in drug policy at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government, and Deputy Director of the Drug Policy Analysis Program at UCLA. His 1996 prediction of the fentanyl epidemic was published by RAND in The Future of Fentanyl and Other Synthetic Opioids. Also known as the Acid King, Pickard was the central figure in the largest LSD manufacturing case in history. Manufacturing tens of millions of doses with a partner, at its height, Pickard’s lab produced up to a kilogram of LSD approximately every five weeks. He was eventually found guilty at trial of conspiring to manufacture, distribute, and dispense ten grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) and received two life sentences.On July 27, 2020, Pickard was granted compassionate release from federal prison 20 years into his sentence. In this episode, Beond co-founder Talia Eisenberg joins Ibogaine Uncovered as co-host. What We Discuss Leonard’s introduction to psychedelics The motivation behind manufacturing such vast amounts of LSD A different kind of trip: what life in a maximum security prison was like How Leonard’s time as an underground chemist influences his current work Predicting the fentanyl crisis before it began The state of ibogaine treatment: Leonard’s ongoing research Challenges facing the psychedelic treatment industry Why It’s Important William Leonard Pickard’s influence on the current psychedelic landscape cannot be overstated. His commitment to cognitive liberty is balanced with a conservative approach towards how psychedelics including ibogaine should be regulated and consumed. His life story encapsulates America’s fraught relationship with drugs, from his 1996 prediction of the fentanyl crisis, to serving 20 years in a maximum security prison for conspiring to manufacture LSD. This storied background lends to unparalleled insights on the use of psychedelics, and informs his ongoing research of ibogaine treatment centers and retreats. Relevant Links William Leonard Pickard’s BioThe “acid king” prognosticates: 5 Questions for William Leonard Pickard (The Microdose)The Future of Fentanyl and Other Synthetic Opioids (2019 paper referencing Pickard’s work)The Acid King (Rolling Stone)DEA news release: Conviction for largest LSD lab seizure in history (2003)DEA news release: Pickard And Apperson Sentenced On LSD Charges (2003)Leonard’s book, The Rose of Paracelsus
Lori Losch: The Importance of Integration Coaching
Sep 25 2024
Lori Losch: The Importance of Integration Coaching
Lori Losch is a certified addiction recovery and psychedelic integration coach, and a member of Beond’s therapeutic coaching team. She’s also a best-selling author, wellness advocate, adventure enthusiast, and self-proclaimed lifelong truth seeker who happens to have been my coach during my 2022 ibogaine journey at Beond. Lori has worked with several medicines including ayahuasca, ketamine, psilocybin, and 5-MeO-DMT, but says ibogaine holds a special place in her heart as it launched her into her own personal healing. As a coach, she helps clients with anxiety, depression, eating disorders, alcoholism, and consumerism. As Lori likes to say, coaching clients “from survival to soul-thrival” is her honor and privilege. What We Discuss Lori’s own personal journey: from real estate to addiction recovery and psychedelic integration Why ibogaine is such an important part of Lori’s healing journey, and how it’s compared to other medicines for her What happens when someone’s biggest mess becomes their biggest message: Lori’s experience with bulimia The most essential steps when preparing for a psychedelic journey How to support clients through integration when psychedelics bring up deeply rooted emotional and psychological issues Common misconceptions about using psychedelics in addiction recovery Helping clients find freedom with food and their bodies: key steps How coaching transforms lives Coaching coaches: Lori’s advice for people aspiring to work in the psychedelic community Why It’s Important Our conversation dives deep into the transformative power of psychedelics, particularly ibogaine, in the context of healing and personal growth. Lori’s unique perspective as both a coach and someone who has undergone her own intense journey with bulimia and recovery offers invaluable insights into the potential of these medicines to not only treat maladaptive coping mechanisms but also transform lives. Her expertise in guiding clients from the depths of survival to thriving provides a roadmap for those seeking freedom from anxiety, depression, eating disorders, and addiction. This discussion highlights the importance of proper preparation and integration in the psychedelic experience, debunks common misconceptions, and underscores the profound impact of coaching in the burgeoning field of psychedelic-assisted therapy. Relevant Links Books by Lori Losch
Cipriana Quann and TK Wonder: How Twin Sisters Heal Childhood Trauma with Ibogaine
Sep 11 2024
Cipriana Quann and TK Wonder: How Twin Sisters Heal Childhood Trauma with Ibogaine
Identical twin sisters Cipriana Quann and TK Wonder have been using their platforms to speak on diversity, inclusivity, and the power of sisterhood for over a decade. Hosts of the Chew on Something podcast, Cipriana and TK are also part of Urban Bush Babes, a lifestyle website dedicated to supporting, encouraging and highlighting the multifaceted lives of women of color. While Cipriana is a former Vogue writer, TK Wonder is a rapper and singer who has opened for artists like Nas and Afrika Bambaataa. Together they have been featured in commercials and campaigns for Fendi, Valentino, Tiffany Co., and Sephora, just to name a few; and are the first two Black American sisters to be on the cover of Harper's Bazaar Netherlands. As advocates for survivors of sexual, physical, and mental childhood abuse, Cipriana and TK have been very open with their audiences about their shared experience, and the health issues that stemmed from their trauma. Having used sugar as a way to cope, they have rewritten their relationships with food and health. Ibogaine has also been a valuable part of their healing journeys, together and individually.  What We Discuss Life as identical twins: similarities, differences, and how Cipriana and TK influence each other Transparency and authenticity: how Cipriana and TK decide what to share with their audience when it comes to trauma and healing What informed Cipriana and TK’s perspective of psychedelics before being introduced to them as a healing modality How psychedelics are perceived in the Black community How people in the psychedelic realm can work to ensure people of color not only have access to but are an active part of building the environment within which psychedelics are more widely available How they came to realize it was time to implement lifestyle changes around food How ibogaine has impacted TK’s relationship with sugar Loving nudges: How Cipriana and TK encourage each other Integration practices: breathwork, movement, music, and writing Why It’s Important As identical twins navigating life together, Cipriana and TK offer unique insights into the importance of transparency and authenticity in addressing personal and collective challenges. Their candid discussions on childhood trauma, their evolving relationship with nutrition, and their transformative experiences with psychedelics, particularly ibogaine, shed light on the complexities of healing. By sharing their journey, Cipriana and TK provide inspiration and practical advice on integrating holistic practices into day-to-day life. This conversation is essential for anyone interested in understanding the nuances of healing, the role of psychedelics in that process, and the critical need for inclusivity in the psychedelic realm. Relevant Links TK Wonder on InstagramCipriana Quann on InstagramChew on Something Official podcastHarpers Bazaar Netherlands cover​​TK Wonder and Cipriana Quann in Masthead MagazineThe Unlikely Professional Who Helped Heal Childhood Trauma (The Cut)Cipriana’s TEDxFIT TalkCipriana & TK Quann, Urban Bush Babes
The Freedom Renegades: A Rap Duo Does Ibogaine
Aug 15 2024
The Freedom Renegades: A Rap Duo Does Ibogaine
Brothers Naithon and Kris Cook, also known by their stage names, Holistic Meditation and Emcee Monkey D., are a dynamic hip hop duo you may have seen on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. They go by the Freedom Renegades, and they rap about consciousness, but in a hard-hitting style influenced by old-school legends like Rakim and Scarface. In their own words, they are “two brothers on the adventure of a lifetime, making beautiful music for beautiful people.” Well versed in the psychedelic realm, Nate and Kris recently returned from a trip to Beond where they took ibogaine for the first time. To end their 10-day stay, they played a concert for guests and staff.  What We Disscuss What separates the Freedom Renegades from other hip hop artists What influences their music Looking at the lyrics of “One Last Ride” What it’s like to freestyle for 2 hours a day on TikTok Nate & Kris’ different expectations and experiences of ibogaine Being in the same room together during treatment How they are integrating their experience How ibogaine has influenced their creative process Why It’s Important As the Freedom Renegades, Nate and Kris write lyrics with the goal of uplifting and inspiring listeners, drawing on musical and spiritual influences alike to deliver a message that you won’t find on the latest Billboard chart. Though Nate and Kris are the first guests on this show to have been in the same room together during their treatment, they had very different journeys. Learning about their experiences with ibogaine provides insight into how distinctly personal an experience with this medicine can be, and how one’s creative process might be influenced by a deep psychedelic journey.  Relevant Links Freedom Renegades official websiteFreedom Renegades on YouTubeHolistic Meditation on TikTokEmcee Monkey D. on TikTokHolistic Meditation on SpotifyIntroducing The Freedom Renegades, a Rap Duo on the Rise
Gary Katz Part 2: How to Identify and Treat Sex Addiction
Aug 7 2024
Gary Katz Part 2: How to Identify and Treat Sex Addiction
Certified sex addiction therapist Gary Katz is back for a second episode following a recent men’s retreat at Beond. Gary is the founder for the Center for Intimacy Recovery in New York. He has been trained in a variety of modalities including sensorimotor psychotherapy and EMDR. Gary joins us again to dive back into the subject of sex addiction, this time answering questions we didn’t get to cover in our last discussion, and discussing the retreat for men suffering from sex addiction. Why Gary decided to become a sex therapist after 20 years in education Self-awareness: What are the signs that one’s sexual behaviors are becoming problematic? Denial as a result of shame and guilt The first line of treatment Talk therapy: How effective is it? Where does it lack? Men’s retreat: Why six men joined Gary at Beond in May Feedback post-ibogaine treatment The importance of preparation and integration Why it’s important: Where much of Gary’s last appearance on the show was dedicated to unpacking the “what” and “why” of sex addiction, this episode speaks to the “how”: how to identify it, and how to treat it. Gary discusses the experience of witnessing six men dealing with different levels of compulsive or destructive sexual or intimate behaviors, who traveled to Beond to receive ibogaine treatment and engage in twice-daily group therapy sessions. How did they come to a place of feeling better? Gary highlights the importance of honesty, accountability, preparation, and integration, and reminds us that when it comes to using psychedelics or engaging in healing work of any kind, we’re all starting at different places and moving at different paces.  Relevant links: Ibogaine Uncovered: Episode 31: Ibogaine for Sex Addiction and Betrayal TraumaThe Center for Intimacy RecoveryAbout GaryCenter for Intimacy Recovery: Men’s RetreatStatistics on Sex Addiction in America
Tom Feegel: Beond CEO and Client #1
Jul 15 2024
Tom Feegel: Beond CEO and Client #1
Tom Feegel is an entrepreneur, founder and the CEO of Beond. When he and his partner Talia Eisenberg, who we’ve had on the show before, co-founded Beond in early 2022, Tom was the first person to undergo treatment. Since then, he’s witnessed thousands of ibogaine treatments under an ever-improving set of protocols and standards.  What we discuss:  Three unique characteristics of ibogaine when compared to other psychedelics What “the intellectual’s psychedelic” means How Tom knew he was ready for ibogaine Unpacking Tom’s life review on ibogaine How Tom’s ibogaine experience – and all other subsequent treatments – have informed Beond’s treatment process The importance of preparation and integration Tom’s vital spiritual practices Reflecting on growth and looking ahead to emerging research  Why it’s important:  Tom offers a unique perspective – not just on Beond itself, but on the experience of ibogaine. Combined with his personal experience, the sheer volume of transformations he’s been able to witness provide him with an intimate understanding of how much has changed and improved in the nearly three years that Beond has been in operation. As he describes it, the team’s focus is not on being the best, but on “being the best at getting better.” Tom speaks from his heart, offering reflections on his own experience with ibogaine, spirituality, and fatherhood – and reminding us of some valuable life lessons that can only be taught by children.  Relevant Links: The Cure to The Opioid Epidemic in America Psychedelics Treatment for Addiction and Emotional Trauma with Tom Feegel More on Tom Feegel via the Beond Blog
Vinessa Antoine: When Support Becomes Self-Discovery
Jul 2 2024
Vinessa Antoine: When Support Becomes Self-Discovery
Vinessa Antoine is an award-winning actress, filmmaker and writer. She has played roles in various Canadian and American television shows including The Resident, Interrogation, Ginny & Georgia, Heartland, and Being Erica. In 2018, Vinessa made history by becoming the first black Canadian person to lead a dramatic show in Canada. She recently finished shooting another leading role in the dramatic series Plan B, scheduled to air in fall of 2024. She is currently working on a groundbreaking documentary series that challenges viewers to unlearn conventional wisdom, embrace change, and embark on a journey of self-discovery and personal growth.  What we discuss:  Vinessa’s primary motivation for seeking out ibogaine treatment Expectations of the ibogaine journey The visual experience: what Vinessa was shown by ibogaine What it was like to share the experience with a family member Life pre-ibogaine vs. life now: impact on career, family, motherhood Vinessa’s experience with the healing and wellness space Red flags in the wellness industry Vinessa’s upcoming docuseries: what to expect   Why it’s important:  Vinessa experienced ibogaine treatment at Beond a few months ago, and was primarily motivated to go to supper her brother, who was seeking help with substance use. Her journey proved to be about much more than supporting her brother. Vinessa reflects on her experience, describing the intense visual journey she was taken on by ibogaine and the lessons she learned about herself along the way. She also explains how her treatment has impacted a docuseries that aims to inspire a movement for change and empower individuals to take charge of their own lives.    Relevant Links: Vinessa Antoine - IMDBVinessa’s Instagram
Dr. Dalibor Sames: Why We Need Ibogaine Analogues
Jun 20 2024
Dr. Dalibor Sames: Why We Need Ibogaine Analogues
Dr. Dalibor Sames is a professor of chemistry at Columbia University, where he runs an independent research program dedicated to studying and developing drugs that induce neuroplasticity. After developing what he describes as “aesthetic admiration” for the molecular structure of ibogaine, Dr. Sames began studying ibogaine and iboga alkaloids, and soon after went on to develop ibogaine analogues as novel therapeutics. He is working to develop these drugs further as the co-founder of two start-up pharmaceutical companies, Gilgamesh Pharmaceuticals (which recently signed a deal to collaborate with AbbVie) and KURES.   What we discuss:  Dr. Sames’ aesthetic admiration for ibogaine “New chemical entities:” Why create analogs to ibogaine? Do we need them? The unique molecular structure of ibogaine Ibogaine’s mechanism of action: how it compares to other psychedelics How small changes in the structure of ibogaine lead to significant differences in its pharmacology Oxa-ibogaine: potential safety and efficacy Ibogaine as a teacher and gate opener Collaborating with big pharma: Is ‘the trip’ necessary?   Why it’s important:  For as long as psychedelic drugs have re-entered the mainstream, the question has been posed: why spend time and money developing alternatives to psychedelics when we can spend that time and money studying the ones we already use? (It’s a question the host of our show has asked herself many times.) In this episode, Dr. Dalibor Sames makes a great case for developing ibogaine analogues, especially with regard to the cardiac risks associated with the drug. Dr. Sames also describes ibogaine in a way we haven’t heard before on this show, detailing the many complexities of the molecule and explaining how a simple change to its structure (such as swapping its nitrogen indole for oxygen) can have a massive impact on its effects.   Relevant Links: Dr. Dalibor Sames’ BioThe Sames Research GroupExperimental Therapeutics, Basic Science and Drug Development (Sames Group)Gilgamesh PharmaceuticalAbbVie and Gilgamesh Pharmaceuticals Announcement (May 13, 2024)Novel Class of Psychedelic Iboga Alkaloids Disrupts Opioid Use
Gary Katz Part 1: Ibogaine for Sex Addiction and Betrayal Trauma
May 29 2024
Gary Katz Part 1: Ibogaine for Sex Addiction and Betrayal Trauma
Gary Katz is a certified sex addiction therapist and a certified partner trauma therapist, as well as the founder for the Center for Intimacy Recovery in New York. He has been trained in a variety of modalities including sensorimotor psychotherapy and EMDR. Prior to opening the Center for Intimacy Recovery, Gary worked in education for more than 20 years. He is also an ordained rabbi. Gary joins us on to discuss sex addiction, betrayal trauma, and the potential that ibogaine has to heal people on both ends of the spectrum.  What we discuss:  What is sex addiction? What it’s like to live with compulsive sexual behavior ‘Rock Bottom’ when you’re struggling with sex addiction Gary’s personal experience with ibogaine What makes ibogaine interesting from a therapist’s perspective? Defining betrayal trauma Working with betrayal trauma: how it differs from working with people dealing with compulsive sexual behavior How ibogaine helped a group of women suffering from betrayal trauma Treatment options: Standard of care vs. ibogaine Why it’s important:  This is the first episode of Ibogaine Uncovered in which we discuss a very real (and incredibly misunderstood) maladaptive coping mechanism: compulsive sexual behavior (also known as sex addiction). While this topic may not get as much coverage as substance or alcohol use disorder, an estimated 3-6% of Americans struggle with it everyday. Gary Katz explains what the spectrum of compulsive sexual behavior can look like, how compulsive sexual behavior can lead to betrayal trauma, and the role ibogaine can play in helping both those with compulsive sexual behaviors and those who have experienced betrayal.  Relevant Links: The Center for Intimacy RecoveryAbout GaryRetreat for Betrayed PartnersStatistics on Sex Addiction in AmericaWhat is Betrayal Trauma?
Kevin Franciotti: Can You Use Psychedelics in Recovery?
May 16 2024
Kevin Franciotti: Can You Use Psychedelics in Recovery?
Kevin Franciotti is a co-founder and the board president of Psychedelics in Recovery (PIR), a fellowship of people in 12-step programs who also have an interest in psychedelics as an aid to their recovery. Kevin has been involved in drug policy advocacy, mental health training and education, and a provider of therapeutic services for 16 years. He’   What we discuss:    How PIR differs from traditional recovery programs The origins of PIR Who can join PIR? Kevin’s personal connection to PIR Where the idea of using psychedelics in conjunction with recovery originated What does a PIR meeting look like?Do members of PIR take part in AA/NA? Common criticisms of PIR Does using psychedelics in recovery impact one’s risk for relapse? The story of PIR’s membership growth Why has the idea of using psychedelics in recovery become so popular? Is PIR harm reduction?  How PIR fits in with other organizations in the recovery and psychedelics spaces   Why it’s important:  For some, the idea of using psychedelics while recovering from an addiction to another substance or behavior might seem counterintuitive. Kevin Franciotti makes the case for Psychedelics in Recovery (both the fellowship and the concept), using his own journey as a backdrop.  Kevin is also realistic about the fellowship: while PIR certainly fits the definition of harm reduction, using psychedelics in recovery does not come without the risk of relapse. The dramatic growth of PIR during and after the Covid-19 pandemic illustrates that although it is beyond time to embrace alternatives to traditional recovery programs, many people still see incredible value in the 12-step framework.    Relevant Links: Kevin Franciotti’s website Psychedelics in Recovery website The early history of Psychedelics in Recovery Bill Wilson, LSD and the Role that Psychedelics Played in the History of Alcoholics Anonymous (excerpt) Canada’s rich and complicated history of psychedelic research (Leafly) Alcoholics Anonymous: The 12 Steps of AA & Success Rates Oregon takes massive step toward recriminalizing drug possession (Oregon Public Broadcasting)
Tommy Aceto: Turning Pain into Passion
Apr 30 2024
Tommy Aceto: Turning Pain into Passion
Tommy Aceto is a former US Navy Seal and intelligence officer, a father, a breakthrough therapies advocate, a writer and director, a life coach and retreat coordinator, and veteran mental health chief officer at the Give to Give Foundation. Tommy served as a US Navy Seal for 16 years, deploying to Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, and the Pacific Islands, and eventually becoming a basic underwater demolition Seal instructor where he developed training curriculums for close quarter combat, combat diving, and more. Tommy credits ibogaine for helping him overcome PTSD, traumatic brain injury and alcoholism and is committed to spreading the word about psychedelic medicine to others in need.  What we discuss: Who was Tommy Aceto before ibogaine? The mental health treatment options available to veterans after their service What it’s like to witness transformation in other vets as a retreat coordinator and psychedelic integration coach Other valuable tools that have been a part of Tommy’s healing journey The inspiration behind Tommy’s Instagram handle, flowstatefrogman The value of movement, sport, and physical challenges in the context of mental health Unpacking the statement, “be careful of your belief systems because they are your biggest limiting factor” What it means to “take your pain and turn it into passion,” and how Tommy is pursuing his passion through storytelling Tommy’s message to politicians who insist on denying the power of psychedelics, and the work he’s doing for veterans in Washington, DC Why it’s important:  I first caught wind of Tommy’s profound experience with ibogaine when he testified in front of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commision in September of 2023. His story of resilience was one I knew we had to feature on Ibogaine Uncovered. Tommy’s transition from traumatized veteran to proud breakthrough therapies advocate and mental health ally is a true testament to the power of ibogaine – a drug that remains illegal in the United States despite mounting evidence that it could improve the lives of millions of Americans who suffer from opioid dependence, alcoholism, PTSD, TBI, and more.  Relevant Links: Tommy’s Instagram profileTommy Aceto on LinkedInKentucky’s Risky Million-Dollar Bet to Fight the Opioid Crisis With PsychedelicsKentucky Commission holds hearing on $42M funding for ibogaine researchIbogaine Treatment for PTSD & TBI | Tommy Aceto - Testimony at the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission, Sept 2023 (YouTube)
Anthony Esposito and Amber Antonelli: How Intense is Iboga, Really?
Apr 10 2024
Anthony Esposito and Amber Antonelli: How Intense is Iboga, Really?
Anthony Esposito and Amber Antonelli are the co-founders of Awaken Your Soul, an iboga retreat center in Costa Rica. Both Anthony and Amber are Bwiti initiates and iboga providers who have been working with the medicine for quite some time – over a decade for Anthony and about eight years for Amber. Amber also serves as chief of the village at the center, which is situated on nearly 100 acres of lush jungle.  What we discuss: The reputation of iboga as intense: is this a well-earned reputation, or is there more to it? Different factors that influence the intensity of an iboga experience: dose, set and setting, facilitation, and resistance The importance of being trauma-informed – and what that really means The energy of iboga: masculine, feminine, or both? The shifting spiritual awareness of people who are seeking out iboga Who makes a good candidate for an iboga retreat? How the iboga experience differs from the ibogaine experience (how the medicine is administered, set and setting, music, and more) How to deal with resistance when it arises in guests Lessons from the medicine, from Gabon to Costa Rica Why it’s important:  Iboga is often described as “intense” – this is why many refer to it as the “Mount Everest” of psychedelics. As Anthony and Amber explain, while there are certainly elements of an iboga experience that can be quite intense, there are several factors that can impact that intensity. We hear that when it comes to iboga, a small dose goes a long way, and that feelings of resistance can actually turn up the intensity dial significantly. Anthony and Amber dive into some of the key differences between iboga and ibogaine, not just in the way that they are administered, but also when it comes to why someone may seek out one over the other. They hone in on the importance of meeting people where they are at, wherever that might be on their journey – even if it’s deep in a state of resistance – and share vulnerable moments from their own path as Bwiti initiates and iboga providers.  Relevant Links: Awaken Your Soul websiteAwaken Your Soul InstagramAnthony Esposito - BioAmber Antonelli - BioUsing Iboga for More Than Just Addiction Treatment13 Tips for Navigating an Iboga Ceremony11 Tips for Integrating Iboga & Other Psychedelics
Joshua White: Peer Support in Psychedelic Therapy
Mar 29 2024
Joshua White: Peer Support in Psychedelic Therapy
Joshua White is a lawyer, peer support advocate, psychedelic researcher, and the founder and executive director of Fireside Project. He believes in the power of peer support and the role of support lines like Fireside Project as foundational components of an equitable mental health ecosystem. Joshua joins Ibogaine Uncovered to discuss the role and value of non-clinical support in the psychedelic space, and to share about his recent ibogaine experience at Beond. What we discuss: How Joshua’s experience with the Zendo Project and Safe and Sound’s Talk Line for Parents informed the creation of Fireside Project What volunteer experience taught him about the value of peer support Is the emphasis on therapists in the psychedelic space problematic? The role of non-clinical support (including coaches and peer support) in the psychedelic space Essential ingredients for building a safe psychedelic container, from a peer’s perspective Key questions to ask when looking for a psychedelic facilitator,  why it’s important to be thorough when making your selection How practitioners can maintain healthy relationships with their clients/peers The intersection of medicalization and spirituality within the ibogaine experience: is it possible to have a transformative experience in a hospital bed? The role of peer support in making psychedelic treatment more accessible, particularly to BIPOC and vulnerable populations What the future of ibogaine treatment could look like if scaled Why it’s important:  As more people look to psychedelic medicines to improve their health and well-being, it’s clear that a model that requires two therapists to sit with every individual receiving psychedelic therapy is not scalable. Joshua underscores the need for more non-clinical support in the psychedelic realm, including coaches and peer supporters like the ones at Fireside Project. Not only is peer support more accessible, he suggests it may also offer a psychedelic journeyer more of what they need before and after a transformative experience, especially depending on a peer’s familiarity with psychedelics. As Josh experienced during his time at Beond, having the right support, whether clinical or not, helps create a safe container for a psychedelic journey – whether that journey takes place in the Amazon, or in a hospital bed at an ibogaine treatment center in Cancun. Relevant Links: Fireside ProjectHow Effective Is Fireside Project’s Psychedelic Hotline? New Study Aims To Find OutFireside Project: The Psychedelic Support Line Matching Callers With BIPOC, Trans, And Veteran VolunteersWarning Signs When Selecting a Psychedelic FacilitatorQuestions to Discuss with a Prospective Psychedelic Facilitator
W. Bryan Hubbard: Lessons from Kentucky's Ibogaine Initiative
Feb 26 2024
W. Bryan Hubbard: Lessons from Kentucky's Ibogaine Initiative
Bryan Hubbard is a lawyer and the former chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission (KOAAC). Tasked with allocating an $842-million settlement from opioid manufacturers after the courts found that the products they sold contributed to thousands of deaths in the state, Bryan and other members of the commission were appointed by Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron in June 2022. In just 18 months, Bryan’s work put ibogaine in the spotlight. After learning about the psychedelic’s anti-addictive properties in the summer of 2022, he brought the idea of spending a portion of the settlement funds on ibogaine research to the AG, and in May 2023 they announced the commission’s intention to allocate $42 million to a public-private research partnership with a focus on ibogaine for substance use disorder. He was asked to step down from the role in December 2023. What we discuss: How Bryan’s previous work as a public attorney prepared him for the work he went on to do for the KOAAC How he learned about ibogaine and his motivations for taking it the commission, even when it was clear there would be a lot of political pushback How political opposition impacted the commission’s interest in ibogaine Why the ibogaine initiative is no longer on the table in Kentucky Responding to claims that the ibogaine initiative was a “misuse of funds” and “corporate R&D” The effect that public hearings had on people who were either ambivalent or opposed to ibogaine research The lack of efficacy of existing treatments Reconciling one’s faith in God, the hope that psychedelics present, and what we’ve been programmed to believe about drugs (in the church and beyond) Next steps for Bryan: interest from other states in ibogaine Why it’s important:  In the short time that Bryan held the position of chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission, he was able to present ibogaine, a relatively obscure psychedelic substance, as a potential treatment for a crisis that has impacted the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans – and people paid attention. While in the end, it seems unlikely the commission will be moving forward with the proposal, Bryan’s championing of ibogaine was successful in creating a groundswell of support for an alternative treatment option in a part of the country not exactly known for being progressive. What’s more, as a result of Bryan’s work, many who had firmly placed themselves in the anti-ibogaine camp were so moved by what they heard at public hearings that they’re motivated to see the initiative through. Although Bryan has moved on from his role in Kentucky, other states have now expressed interest in picking up where he left off.  Relevant Links: Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory CommissionCould an illegal psychedelic substance ease the opioid crisis? Daniel Cameron wants to find out.Kentucky’s Risky Million-Dollar Bet to Fight the Opioid Crisis With PsychedelicsCould a little-known psychedelic drug treat opioid addiction? Kentucky wants to find out.Kentucky Shelves Plan to Use Opioid Settlement Cash for Ibogaine PilotThe Big Money Behind Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron's Bizarre Psychedelic Drug CrusadeOn Politics: Here's why Andy Beshear might not want to talk about Purdue Pharma
Amber Capone: The Ibogaine Integration of a Navy SEAL
Feb 8 2024
Amber Capone: The Ibogaine Integration of a Navy SEAL
Amber Capone is the CEO and co-founder at Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS). Four years ago, she walked away from a successful career in real estate to serve in these roles, determined to improve the life of her family and others who were suffering after her husband Marcus underwent a powerful transformation with the help of ibogaine. Marcus Capone – who intended to join us but couldn’t make it – is an entrepreneur & veteran Navy SEAL who was medically retired from active duty in 2013 after 13 years of service in Special Operations, including 6 combat tours at Seal Team 10 and Seal Team 6. Today he’s the chairman and co-founder of VETS. VETS is a non-profit organization founded by Marcus and Amber, intent on ending the veteran suicide epidemic by providing resources, research, and advocacy for U.S. military veterans seeking psychedelic assisted therapy for traumatic brain injury, PTSD, and other health conditions.  What we discuss: The challenges associated with Marcus’ retirement and return to civilian life, including struggles with TBI, PTSD, depression, anger and substance use, and the impact that had on Amber’s role as a wife and mother The specific challenges that veterans face as they try to navigate treatment options The role that stigma plays among veterans and how it can often prevent them from seeking treatment How Marcus and Amber learned about ibogaine, and the point of complete desperation they were at when they found it How a lack of preparedness for treatment helped Amber and Marcus develop programming at VETS to prevent them from experiencing the same thing The shift that Marcus experienced after ibogaine Talking about psychedelic treatment with their children Amber’s struggle to reconcile ibogaine’s healing ability with her faith in God The support options offered by VETS, and VETS involvement in a recent Stanford study looking at ibogaine featuring Dr. Nolan Williams Recent advancements in support for improved veteran care Why it’s important:  Amber and her husband Marcus have been advocating for access to psychedelic assisted therapy, particularly ibogaine treatment, since 2018 and have quickly become the faces of the movement. Their story and their work are prime examples of how, when the situation feels absolutely hopeless, a single profound psychedelic experience can be a complete game-changer – and in turn, how that game-changing experience often leads to an undeniable sense that it must be shared with others who have experienced the same hopelessness.  Relevant Links: VETS WebsiteVA PTSD StatisticsThe stigma that stops veterans from getting help for PTSD (PBS)How psychedelic healing helps traumatized veterans (Spectrum News)Posttraumatic Stress Disorder in the US Veteran Population: Results From the National Health and Resilience in Veterans StudyThe purple politics of veterans and psychedelics: 5 Questions for Amber Capone, co-founder of VETS Amber on Psyched, a podcast by Kaia Roman