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Susan Wise Bauer & Susanna Jarrett

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Season 3

Teaching Controversial Topics
Sep 4 2024
Teaching Controversial Topics
Guiding Principles:  Gretchen Ronnevik Quote We LOVE: “When I taught classical writing to teens, there's an element to formal rhetoric called "refutation" where you address the arguments opposed to your thesis. In refutation, it's important to present the arguments of your opponents in a way that they would feel well represented, so that you can talk about where they are wrong in their argument, point by point, instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks, or misrepresentation. In classical rhetoric, ad hominem attacks, and twisting the words of your opponent where they would say "but that's not what I said, nor how I meant it," is actually the weakest way to refute their arguments. It shows that you don't have a good case against their issue, so you resort to theatrics and distractions instead. The reason that you want your opponents to agree with your representation of them is that you are seeking to win them over and persuade them. If they feel they have been misrepresented, they will never be persuaded, they will just continue to clarify again and again, until they realize you have no intention of actually hearing them.” Gretchen’s website and Twitter/X Account PoliticsiCivics: Susanna’s recommendation for teaching civics and government to grammar/rhetoric stage studentsThe Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt: Susanna’s book recommendation for rhetoric students and adultsEconomics Uncle Eric Books: We mention using these books to explain the Libertarian or Free Market view of economicsTuttle Twins: We mention this as an example of an economics/government program for kids that has a stated Libertarian slantOlder students should read the strongest arguments for each major economic theory and/or the source material, like The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith for Free Market Economics or The General Theory of Employment by John Maynard Keynes for Keynesian economics. Resources for looking for rhetoric stage economics courses (let us know your comments about potential slants!): Great Courses (a lot of course options, check the syllabus to see if the course you’re interested in covers multiple economic theories) Edx  (same as above)Khan Academy (they have a section about Keynesian economics and its critics)Crash Course (supplemental videos, potential Keynesian slant. They have a video about different Economics Schools of Thought)Well-Trained Mind AcademyScience Biologos website: Susan mentions this website in the context of teaching theology and science. Extremely American Podcast: Susan mentions this podcast when positing that there is a link between creationism and Christian Nationalist political ideas. This episode specifically tackles that link.Corrections: At 31:10 Susan mentions the "Institution of Creationism Research," it should be "Institute of Creation Research."  (00:00) - Season of Hot Takes Intro (01:15) - Episode Intro (01:28) - Teaching controversial topics (03:31) - "I Don't Believe It, But I Must Teach It" (04:31) - US Government & Politics | I Don't Believe It, But I Must Teach It (07:21) - How to make space for terrifying questions (13:50) - US Government & Politics | I Don't Believe It, But I Must Teach It (22:25) - Economics | I Don't Believe It, But I Must Teach It (30:26) - Break (32:03) - Science | I Don't Believe It, But I Must Teach It (41:04) - Reading | I Don't Believe It, But I Must Teach It (46:20) - How to teach in a community with diverse values (53:18) - Outro
To Test or Not to Test w/ Dr. Julia Collier and Sandra Amoroso
Oct 30 2024
To Test or Not to Test w/ Dr. Julia Collier and Sandra Amoroso
In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett are joined by Dr. Julia Collier and Sandra Amoroso from the Well-Trained Mind Academy to talk all things standardized testing. Show Notes: Resources for end-of-year testing: Seton TestingSusan’s book: Rethinking School: How to Take Charge of Your Child’s EducationYearly Testing: How to Do It by Susan Wise BauerResources for SAT and ACT Testing (college admissions tests):  CollegeBoard Yes, standardized testing is coming back to college admissions. Here is the Dartmouth statement that Julia read. More information on SAT Adaptive Testing Correction for 21:20: Both the SAT and ACT are now offered seven times a year. Correction at 16:18: Students can use a calculator during the math portions of the SAT. Preparing for the SAT: Schoolhouse.WorldOfficial SAT prep bookPSAT informationResources for AP TestingCollegeBoard official website AP essay writing tipsArticles to dive deeper into CollegeBoard controversies: Follow the Money, History of CollegeBoard FinancesHow the SAT Failed America via Forbes (this is an older article, but it gets into some issues with the CollegeBoard that stand the test of time)Scandal about Student Data via Reuters (00:00) - Intro with Julia Collier+(01:27) - Talking about testing(02:09) - End of grade testing(10:08) - College admissions testing(29:03) - Break(29:57) - Advanced placement tests(34:30) - Pros of AP exams(46:27) - Cons of AP exams(56:41) - Closing statements(59:23) - Outro
Navigating College Admissions (pt. 1) with Holly Ramsey and Dr. Michele Evard
Nov 6 2024
Navigating College Admissions (pt. 1) with Holly Ramsey and Dr. Michele Evard
In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett discuss what NOT to do when navigating the college admissions process as a homeschool family. They are joined by two educational consultants and college admissions experts, Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard.Show Notes: Holly Ramsey’s WebsiteMichele Evard’s Website Holly and Michele’s Book (Use promo code: HOMESCHOOL10 for 10% off the book and everything else College UnMazed sells)Links mentioned: 3:42: Independent Educational Consultants Association (Holly and Michele are part of this organization, the other association they mentioned is HECA)19:49 Methodology on How US News and World Report Rank Colleges 28:48 Holly mentions Colleges That Change Lives as an example of the many smaller schools that may be a great fit for your student. 29:42 Holly’s recommendations for finding right fit colleges: New York Times Build Your Own College Rankings and Georgetown Return on Investment Chart. 32:29 Holly recommends MEFA Student Aid Index calculator to determine what kind of aid you can get. 37:52 Holly recommends Loper App (the dating app for colleges) (00:00) - Intro with Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard(06:42) - What not to do while thinking about the college application process(07:07) - Don't worry about what your third grader is doing(17:44) - Break(18:38) - Keeping on topic(19:02) - Don't worry about "Ivy Leagues"(34:33) - Don't get emotionally invested(40:39) - Don't shape your curriculum to have a good looking transcript(48:48) - Come back next week for the "Do-s"!
Navigating College Admissions (pt. 2) with Holly Ramsey and Dr. Michele Evard
Nov 13 2024
Navigating College Admissions (pt. 2) with Holly Ramsey and Dr. Michele Evard
In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett finish their discussion about college admissions for homeschoolers with two homeschool college admissions experts, Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard. Holly Ramsey’s WebsiteMichele Evard’s Website Holly and Michele’s Book (Use promo code: HOMESCHOOL10 for 10% off the book and everything else College UnMazed sells)Show Notes: 2:06 Holly recommends Georgia Tech’s college admissions blog for ALL families in the college admissions process, regardless of whether or not you plan to apply to Georgia Tech. Here is the referenced article about the “highschool hallway test.”7:58 Holly and Susan recommend creating a practice common app account. 11:40 Susan mentions her son’s homeschool transcript, which is available here for your reference. 21:16 Susan mentions that the CollegeBoard has an article about creating a school profile. You can find it here. 45:05 Holly recommends the College Unmazed College Data Organizer, a free tool for comparing colleges. 54:50 Holly recommends using the Student Aid Index Calculator to figure out which colleges you can afford. 55:11 Holly also recommends Big J Educational Consulting’s chart of schools that lists average merit award and what percentage of students get award. 56:45 Holly lists two reputable scholarship finders that aren’t selling your data: (1) CareerOneStop Scholarship Finder sponsored by the U.S Department of Labor and (2) JLV College Counseling. 58:50 Susan mentions Harvard as an example of a school that may be prohibitively expensive. However, while the sticker price is $60,000+/ year, the university has a large endowment and can cover most of that through merit and need-based scholarships. Here is a link explaining. (00:00) - Intro with Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard (again!)(00:13) - Make sure you listen to part 1!(00:58) - Things you *can* do for college admissions(01:28) - Do document your home school journey(09:38) - Core 4 documents(09:48) - 1 - An official transcript(14:52) - 2 - Course descriptions(19:55) - 3 - Home school profile(23:16) - 4 - The counselor letter of recommendation(32:39) - Break(32:40) - The personal essay(38:20) - Do make a list of "good fit" schools(51:48) - Do consider price tags(01:00:46) - Do consider alternatives(01:11:03) - Wrapping up

Season 2

Teaching History in the Internet Age
Apr 24 2024
Teaching History in the Internet Age
Show notes: What is History? How andWhy Should I Teach It by Susan Wise Bauer Why Learn History When it’s Already on Your Phone? By Sam Wineburg Sam Wineburg for CBS Research on middle schoolers ability to interpret information on the internetA helpful introduction to teaching historical thinking skillsResources for Teaching History: The Big History Project (skills taught: contextualization, sourcing, causation, comparison, continuity & change over time, close reading) Digital Inquiry Group (formerly Stanford History Education Group or SHEG). This organization offers free lesson plans and assessment ideas that emphasize historical thinking skills, perfect for logic stage students. The “Lunchroom I” and “Lunchroom II” lesson plans are a fun introduction to historical thinking skills. A great introduction to history for rhetoric stage students: Telling the Truth About History Reading Lists for Hard History American Indians in Children’s Literature Web Page by Debbie Reese Heritage Mom Recommendations for Black HistoryAnnotated Reading list for Grammar Stage: Picture Books About Slavery and Freedom via Heritage MomAnnotated Reading list for Logic Stage: Age-Appropriate Books about the Holocaust via School Library Journal (you know your student, some of these may be too heavy for younger logic stage students). Another reading list with both grammar stage and logic stage titles on enslavement: Children’s Books about Slavery and Enslavement via Pragmatic Mom (00:00) - Intro (00:25) - History as a battleground (05:21) - A Drag Queen example (08:31) - History as a story and historical "accuraacy" (16:49) - 4 historical approaches (16:57) - Biographical history (19:06) - Progressive history (29:35) - Positivist history (33:55) - Social history (37:33) - How do we teach this? (40:10) - History in the grammar stage (47:52) - History in the logic stage (55:21) - History in the rhetoric stage (58:37) - Wrapping up (59:22) - Outro